Muslims more loving than christians

[amx]

Confrontational simply means direct and upfront. It may have been to harsh of a word. Most Americans value being able to speak your mind and stand up for your self. We vlaue rugged individualism as opposed to the ablility to seemlessly fit into a community (more eastern thought). I should probably have used the word direct. I'm direct but I try to edit my posts to be gentle. There have been a couple of times that someone got under my skin and I wasn't as gentle as I should have been. Even being gentle I try to be clear and direct.

 

[WhenFinallySetFree777]

There are many people I've met that have very different beliefs than I that are very kind, loving, intelligent human beings.

That doesn't invalidate any beliefs, including Christianity, that may conflict with theirs. So there are many non-Christians that are more loving than many Christians...what else is new?

 

[Dmckay]

I'm sure that the 3,000 that were killed by loving Muslims in the World Trade Towers and the 4 Christians teenaged girls on their way to their Christian school who were beheaded by Muslims would agree with you.

 

[Dmckay]

Just in case you want more evidence for your proposition that Muslims are more loving and tolerant than Christians:

Muslim Crowd Burns Two Pakistan Churches
By ASIF SHAHZAD (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
November 12, 2005 11:10 AM EST
LAHORE , Pakistan - Hundreds of Muslims attacked and burned two churches in Pakistan on Saturday after reports that a Christian man had desecrated Islam's holy book. No one was injured in the blazes.

A school, student hostel and the home of a priest were also torched by the crowd of about 1,500 Muslims near the town of Sangla Hill, about 80 miles northeast of Lahore, said police official Ali Asghar Dogar.

The attacks were being investigated. About two dozen people had been arrested, Dogar said.

The fires came a day after a local Muslim resident accused a Christian of burning a one-room Islamic school along with copies of the Quran. Dogar said the allegations were apparently leveled by people who lost money while gambling with the Christian man on Friday, but police had detained him and were investigating.

Shahbaz Bhatti, head of the All Pakistan Minorities Alliance - which promotes the rights of minorities in mainly Muslim Pakistan, denied the charges and condemned the attacks on the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches.

"No Christian burned copies of the Quran," he told The Associated Press. "No Christian even can think of doing it. We have maximum regard and respect for the Quran and Islam's Prophet Muhammad."

Bhatti accused local Muslim leaders of using mosque public-address systems to urge Muslims to attack the churches.

Non-Muslims comprise just 3 percent of Pakistan's 150 million-plus population. The country's Christian minority generally coexists peacefully with the Muslim majority, but there have been occasional attacks on churches and Christian clergy by Islamic extremists railing against Western influence in Pakistan.

Thousands of Pakistanis joined angry street protests this spring over the alleged desecration of the Quran by interrogators at a U.S. military prison in Guantanamo, Bay, Cuba. Desecration of the holy book carries the death penalty in Pakistan.

 

[intricatic]

I'm still of the position that (although this is not applicable for extremist factions of any religion or cultural movement) the reality of kindness and love are things taught through adversity, and I would not be supprised if people in third world countries, and countries destitute with poverty and famine are not more kind and loving people than people who have not suffered through such things. It has only circumstantial ties to religion itself, though.

 

[ebia]

Just in case you want more evidence for your proposition that Muslims are more loving and tolerant than Christians:

Muslim Crowd Burns Two Pakistan Churches
By ASIF SHAHZAD (Associated Press Writer)
From Associated Press
November 12, 2005 11:10 AM EST
LAHORE , Pakistan - Hundreds of Muslims attacked and burned two churches in Pakistan on Saturday after reports that a Christian man had desecrated Islam's holy book. No one was injured in the blazes.

(Assuming that the report is accurate), the Christian man had done something worse than the Muslims. Hardly a good point for either side, but a clear negative one for Christianity.

A school, student hostel and the home of a priest were also torched by the crowd of about 1,500 Muslims near the town of Sangla Hill, about 80 miles northeast of Lahore, said police official Ali Asghar Dogar.

The attacks were being investigated. About two dozen people had been arrested, Dogar said.

Evidence that the (Muslim) Pakistani government, police, and people (when taken as a whole) oppose this behaviour.

The fires came a day after a local Muslim resident accused a Christian of burning a one-room Islamic school along with copies of the Quran.

Again, if true then the Christians had done worse than the Muslims are accused of.

Dogar said the allegations were apparently leveled by people who lost money while gambling with the Christian man on Friday, but police had detained him and were investigating.

If this is true instead, then the dispute turns out to have nothing to do with religion at all, but is just idiots being idiots on both sides.

Shahbaz Bhatti, head of the All Pakistan Minorities Alliance - which promotes the rights of minorities in mainly Muslim Pakistan, denied the charges and condemned the attacks on the Roman Catholic and Protestant churches.

"No Christian burned copies of the Quran," he told The Associated Press. "No Christian even can think of doing it. We have maximum regard and respect for the Quran and Islam's Prophet Muhammad."

Bhatti accused local Muslim leaders of using mosque public-address systems to urge Muslims to attack the churches.

Ok, so we don't really know what happened, both sides have leveled accusations at each other, so you want us to believe that the Muslims are completely in the wrong and the Christians are completely in right.

Non-Muslims comprise just 3 percent of Pakistan's 150 million-plus population. The country's Christian minority generally coexists peacefully with the Muslim majority, but there have been occasional attacks on churches and Christian clergy by Islamic extremists railing against Western influence in Pakistan.

Spot on. There are complete nutter everywhere, and in some parts of Pakistan a few of them have undue influence, but most Muslims are peaceful, law abiding, generous, warm, loving people.

Thousands of Pakistanis joined angry street protests this spring over the alleged desecration of the Quran by interrogators at a U.S. military prison in Guantanamo, Bay, Cuba.

And this is a bad thing because? If the Quran was desecrated in Guantanamo Bay, then whoever was responsible, and their bosses, should be hung out to dry. The Quran is not just the Islamic equivalent of the bible - to Muslims it is the eternal Word of God, holy and sacred. It's their equivalent of Christ.

 

[ebia]

I'm still of the position that (although this is not applicable for extremist factions of any religion or cultural movement) the reality of kindness and love are things taught through adversity, and I would not be supprised if people in third world countries, and countries destitute with poverty and famine are not more kind and loving people than people who have not suffered through such things. It has only circumstantial ties to religion itself, though.

The hospitality that the poorest people in Pakistan show knocks us in the rich world for six.

 

[intricatic]

The hospitality that the poorest people in Pakistan show knocks us in the rich world for six.

That's what I mean. The idea that we are to love our enemies is something more strongly emphasized to those who live with many enemies all around them, than to those who only percieve enemies all around them.

 

[TheDag]

I'm sure that the 3,000 that were killed by loving Muslims in the World Trade Towers and the 4 Christians teenaged girls on their way to their Christian school who were beheaded by Muslims would agree with you.

I know several missionaries who work with muslims. In one place the muslims built a church for the missionaries while the mosque remains unfinished.
Think about the crusades and how many muslims were killed in the name of christianity. This is a huge stumbling block for muslims when people are trying to lead them to christ.
Think about the spanish inquisition and how many were killed because they did not believe.
Think about those who before the reformation disagreed with the church and as a result were killed.
Think of christians attacking doctors who perform abortions and attacking abortion clinics.
Think about those images I've seen of some americans holding signs saying "God hates ****". Not only is that wrong as God loves everybody. He would hate the sin but that isn't what the signs say. But after holding signs like that and saying the same thing they expect gay & lesbians to listen to them.
Think about all the people who after being converted by a christian mission organisation were fed into existing churches. They were all rejected by the existing churches. That forced the mission group to become a church by default. That churchs name is the salvation army.

The point is we can easily point at examples of poor behaviour by muslim extemists but I could sit here all day providing many examples of christian behaviour that is just as bad or worse. There are extemists on both sides who have done terrible things. Using some examples of extemists does not reflect the whole. As I said I've met many muslims and am friends with many and not one has ever been anything but loving and kind. Often they provide more support in tough times than christians whose typical response is "I'll pray for you" but they don't do anything practical to help.