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No, no, no...not since 2021. Millions just walked over the border. They were most decidedly not "overstaying VISAS".The vast majority of illegal immigration in the US is caused by overstaying visas, not crossing the Rio Grande. This is not a problem unique to the United States, it happens in any country that has work visa programs.
Please quote and link the limitation to only violent criminals who have committed crimes since arriving here in the states. I cannot find such a limitation.Golly! If only they were citizens they could run for president.
But seriously, those are people who are charged here. Your implication seemed to be that they were "violent criminals with records" prior to coming into the country.
Depends on the crime, doesn't it? Arrested as a political prisoner for standing with signs to resist the government? Sure.Isn’t escaping an unjust government that has one arrested for trying to voice opposition to the powers-that-be, exactly what asylum is all about?
No, no, no...not since 2021. Millions just walked over the border. They were most decidedly not "overstaying VISAS".
You cannot conflate the two. Anyone overstaying a VISA has applied legally through the system and has been vetted and granted a VISA in the first place.
Irrelevant. You cannot get a Visa without being vetted. You cannot enter another country to stay without being vetted.That's the issue, vetting? There is no evidence that illegal immigrants are prone to more violent crime than the general population.
Because all of these poor individuals are getting raped and murdered by Americans?Hence all rapes and murders we have been reading about.
No, they were vetted poorly, but they were let in to relieve the humanitarian crisis that arose from the cartels dumping them in the desert next to the border. Because of the numbers involved, little more was done initially beyond taking names.No, no, no...not since 2021. Millions just walked over the border. They were most decidedly not "overstaying VISAS".
Just like the 9/11 terrorists, all of whom were visa overstays.You cannot conflate the two. Anyone overstaying a VISA has applied legally through the system and has been vetted and granted a VISA in the first place.
Deflection to irrelevancies. Yes, we already know there are criminals in the United States. The problem is in importing more of them, many of whom have acted out since 2021 killing young women. They shouldn't be here at all.Because all of these poor individuals are getting raped and murdered by Americans?
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Sure, if you use the word "many" without any evidence to back anything up you can think anything you want about immigrants. Doesn't make you correct; doesn't make you less prejudice either.Deflection to irrelevancies. Yes, we already know there are criminals in the United States. The problem is in importing more of them, many of whom have acted out since 2021 killing young women.
Yes. IT would be great if no criminals existed anywhere wouldn't it?They shouldn't be here at all.
Do you not watch the news? How many young women have been killed by migrants who had no business being here, many already out on bond or simply released from other crimes? Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray, Rachel Morin, Jeremy Poou Caceres ( a TWO year old), Lizbeth Medina, Kayla Hamilton....several others. How many is ENOUGH to close the border and force people to immigrate the customary way?Sure, if you use the word "many" without any evidence to back anything up you can think anything you want about immigrants. Doesn't make you correct; doesn't make you less prejudice either.
Yes. IT would be great if no criminals existed anywhere wouldn't it?
Obviously I would rather that nobody was killed period. Seems targetted to only care about people who are killed by illegal migrants but I guess if you believe illegal migrants are inherently more dangerous than anyone else, I would understand why you'd think that.Do you not watch the news? How many young women have been killed by migrants who had no business being here, many already out on bond or simply released from other crimes? Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray, Rachel Morin, Jeremy Poou Caceres ( a TWO year old), Lizbeth Medina, Kayla Hamilton....several others. How many is ENOUGH to close the border and force people to immigrate the customary way?
Again, you missed the point entirely. We already have crime here. Why let more criminals pour right in? That's stupid policy.Obviously I would rather that nobody was killed period. Seems targetted to only care about people who are killed by illegal migrants but I guess if you believe illegal migrants are inherently more dangerous than anyone else, I would understand why you'd think that.
Do you not watch the news? How many young women have been killed by migrants who had no business being here, many already out on bond or simply released from other crimes? Laken Riley, Jocelyn Nungaray, Rachel Morin, Jeremy Poou Caceres ( a TWO year old), Lizbeth Medina, Kayla Hamilton....several others. How many is ENOUGH to close the border and force people to immigrate the customary way?
It is wise to pay attention to the news:
Your fallacy of relative privation is non-responsive to my statement, which is that importing criminals from other countries should never happen, and most would not be here, but for the abominable open border policy of this Biden Harris administration. These ladies would still be alive but for Biden-Harris.How many children have been killed by citizens of the US who were born here? All you have are anecdotes, not statistics. Statistically, migrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than the general population.
Are we sure about that? Is that only based on arrest and report data? I'm not saying they are or aren't, but I'm curious how trustworthy statistics are if all we have to go on is reports and arrests. Most violent crime by undocumented immigrants is likely to be against people who aren't likely to report crimes committed against them for one reason or another. So it may not be that they are less likely to commit, but simply that their crimes are less likely to be reported.How many children have been killed by citizens of the US who were born here? All you have are anecdotes, not statistics. Statistically, migrants are less likely to commit violent crimes than the general population.
Could be, but why would US citizens be unlikely to report crimes?Most violent crime by undocumented immigrants is likely to be against people who aren't likely to report crimes committed against them for one reason or another. So it may not be that they are less likely to commit, but simply that their crimes are less likely to be reported.
Do you believe that undocumented immigrants are more likely to commit crimes within their communities, or outside of them? US citizens might be more likely to report crimes, but are we only worried about crimes against US citizens? Or are we worried about criminal organizations getting a foothold in the US and eventually bringing the very things the people are trying to flee from to our doorstep? The humanitarian concerns are real, but whether or not mass migration is the solution to the problem or if it would be better for us to assist in foreign affairs and help empower people to take back their own countries is a pretty big question. It was, after all, mass migration of the goths that was at least one of the major contributing factors in the fall of Rome. Painting migrants as criminals is certainly not a great look, but pretending that criminality among migrant groups isn't an issue seems myopic to me. That is also not discussing the role that organized crime plays in the coyote operations and how we contribute to their oppression in their home countries by turning a blind eye to these things.Could be, but why would US citizens be unlikely to report crimes?
You have a problem with Musk not updating his Visa but no problem with the millions here illegally. This should make you like him more, he was an illegal immigrant, you’re on his side aren’t you?Huh, I tried to use the gift link.
...oh, I guess you have to make an account to use the gift link. Thanks, Bezos.
He was here on a student visa, which has strict rules about being in school and working. He dropped out of school and started working, in violation of the terms of his visa.
Is it okay to enter the country fraudulently for one set of reasons, but not others?
You’re on his side remember, he was an illegal immigrant, he was doing work no American wanted to do, I thought you were an advocate for people like him. Illegal immigrants are less likely to commit crimes and our economy would collapse without them. Have you forgotten all this?You’re right, I should have worded that differently. Instead of “enter the country,” I should have said “be present in the country.”
So?
Sure, it’s a different offense, but it’s still illegal. It’s still a violation of the rules that so many on the right profess to hold sacrosanct. Why is this better or more moral than playing loosey goosey with an asylum application?
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