Museums starting to tell creationists to jam it

[Vastavus]

UG! These people are so stupid. It really enrages me.

 

[Chuck_Darwin]

Reminds me of my favorite quote from Tom Paine: "To argue with a man who has renounced reason, is like giving medicine to the dead."

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

From today's NT Times:

Where does that article suggest that museums are telling creationists to "jam it"?

 

[Vastavus]

Reminds me of my favorite quote from Tom Paine: "To argue with a man who has renounced reason, is like giving medicine to the dead."

I could be wrong, but I think that was Voltaire.

 

[Robert the Pilegrim]

Harassing is not what a believer should do no matter what the age of an individual. I simply do not feel that asking questions or making points is harassment.

The quote was:

their queries coming so thick and fast that she found it hard to reply.​

 

[LittleNipper]

The quote was:

their queries coming so thick and fast that she found it hard to reply.​

Sounds just like any oither group of students on a field trip.... She more than likely was not expecting questions that seemed to attack evolutionism.

 

[Grengor]

Nip, if you read the quote, it specifically says "so thick and fast that she found it hard to reply". It wasn't "their questions were very well informed and provacative".

 

[Loudmouth]

Sounds just like any oither group of students on a field trip.... She more than likely was not expecting questions that seemed to attack evolutionism.

No, it sounds like the students were fed questions by creationists without understanding even what the questions meant. The creationists are to afraid to participate in actual scientific discussions so they send kids out, with prepared questions, to ambush museum employees.

 

[LittleNipper]

Nip, if you read the quote, it specifically says "so thick and fast that she found it hard to reply". It wasn't "their questions were very well informed and provacative".

I know how liberals exaggerate everything to either make an issue of nothing or prove anything...

 

[LittleNipper]

No, it sounds like the students were fed questions by creationists without understanding even what the questions meant. The creationists are to afraid to participate in actual scientific discussions so they send kids out, with prepared questions, to ambush museum employees.

I believe you have one wild imagination --- as though you can tell teenagers anything. They will do what they want. Ain't no big bad creationist going to influence them, unless they themselves recognize the logic

 

[Ozymandius]

I know how liberals exaggerate everything to either make an issue of nothing or prove anything...

What? What does being "liberal" have to do with anything in this context? Are you suggesting that being liberal and accepting science are one and the same?

 

[Ozymandius]

I believe you have one wild imagination --- as though you can tell teenagers anything. They will do what they want. Ain't no big bad creationist going to influence them, unless they themselves recognize the logic

This board has never seen a teenage creationist come in just to post a list they borrowed from drdino.com or AIG or ICR. That has never happened. Ever.

 

[Loudmouth]

I believe you have one wild imagination --- as though you can tell teenagers anything. They will do what they want. Ain't no big bad creationist going to influence them, unless they themselves recognize the logic

Step one: Watch videos and read books meant to give kids examples of questions that "evolutionists can't answer". From the testimonies we have heard on this very forum this occurs in homeschools, christian schools, and in Sunday school.

Step two: Organize a field trip to a place where evil scientists work.

Step three: Dump all of these questions onto the nearest evil scientists and revel in the fact that the scientist is not able to answer 100 ill concieved, deceptive, and leading questions in the span of 15 minutes.

Step four: Proclaim that evolution must be wrong and never ever participate in a formla written debate.

This is known as the Hovind/Gish strategy. These two con men are no longer able to do this because their strategy has been shown for what it is, a con game. The next best thing is to have children do it for them, and it seems to be catching on.

At least Jonathan Wells is up front in what he is trying to do. His "10 questions to ask your biology teacher" is at least honest in it's intent, even if it poses no challenge to the actual theory of evolution.

 

[LittleNipper]

Step one: Watch videos and read books meant to give kids examples of questions that "evolutionists can't answer". From the testimonies we have heard on this very forum this occurs in homeschools, christian schools, and in Sunday school.

Step two: Organize a field trip to a place where evil scientists work.

Step three: Dump all of these questions onto the nearest evil scientists and revel in the fact that the scientist is not able to answer 100 ill concieved, deceptive, and leading questions in the span of 15 minutes.

Step four: Proclaim that evolution must be wrong and never ever participate in a formla written debate.

This is known as the Hovind/Gish strategy. These two con men are no longer able to do this because their strategy has been shown for what it is, a con game. The next best thing is to have children do it for them, and it seems to be catching on.

At least Jonathan Wells is up front in what he is trying to do. His "10 questions to ask your biology teacher" is at least honest in it's intent, even if it poses no challenge to the actual theory of evolution.

I believe you're afraid that some kids are becoming more sensitive to the fact that the establishment does not possess all the answers. You are afraid that there are more and more future creation scientists who will have no intension of working in the field of evolution, but may in fact be able to advance FLOOD theory and undermine evolutionary thought. They may even be able to influence public educational practices in a way to encourage and promote investigative reasoning by individuals once again. The days of memorizing Darwin and his friends at the exclusion of others and their theories might just be coming to a close (or at least face a rockier road)...

 

[Loke]

FLOOD theory. ..... lol?

 

[nvxplorer]

I know how liberals exaggerate everything to either make an issue of nothing or prove anything...

Liberals? What on earth are you talking about? Nevermind...It’s quite clear how your mind works.

Black-and-white thinking at its finest, Nip. Everything and everyone fall into two camps. Life is a game in which people pick sides. Everyone on your side thinks exactly alike. Anyone who holds an opinion - any opinion - differently than you, necessarily is the enemy. What a sad, fallacious worldview.

 

[LittleNipper]

This board has never seen a teenage creationist come in just to post a list they borrowed from drdino.com or AIG or ICR. That has never happened. Ever.

Ah, and this board has never seen a teenage evolutionist come in just to post a list they borrowed from atheist.com or whatever. That has never happened. Ever...

 

[nvxplorer]

Ah, and this board has never seen a teenage evolutionist come in just to post a list they borrowed from atheist.com or whatever. That has never happened. Ever...

Here’s my list from atheist.com

http://atheist.com/

Weight loss
Fitness
Nutrition
Vitamin
Diet plan
Exercise

Fictional floods, fictional websites...what’s the difference...

 

[LittleNipper]

Liberals? What on earth are you talking about? Nevermind...It’s quite clear how your mind works.

Black-and-white thinking at its finest, Nip. Everything and everyone fall into two camps. Life is a game in which people pick sides. Everyone on your side thinks exactly alike. Anyone who holds an opinion - any opinion - differently than you, necessarily is the enemy. What a sad, fallacious worldview.

Life is not mud. That's what liberals make of it. I do not fault people for their opinions. I fault people who think their opinions are worth more and work to subvert the research, opinions and values of those they despise. Example, I believe homosexuality to be a sin. That is my opinion based on my faith and my observations. Some homosexuals want my opinion publicly silenced by labelling such as me bigots. Yet, the fact is I treat homosexuals much better they they often treat themselves. Kind of like trying to tell a smoker that smoking is bad for that person and that person saying, "Mind your own business. I enjoy smoking, you narrowminded bigot. You cannot tell me that I can't smoke anywhere I @#% choose." That is what is sad.

 

[Ledifni]

"It is no wonder that many biologists will simply refuse to debate creationists or I.D.ers," she said, using the abbreviation for intelligent design, a cousin of creationism. "It is as if they aren't listening."

That's because they aren't... literally. When I was a Creationist, I would listen to anything about evolution and let single words slam into my brainwall (like a seawall, only for ideas instead of waves) and get immediately translated into my version of what they really mean. Somebody started talking about "radiometric dating?" Why, I already knew all about that. No need to listen to what they were saying -- I'd get a much more accurate picture if I tuned their words out and filled it in with my own version of radiometric dating. Everything I've seen from creationists leads me to believe that most of them interact with scientists exactly like I did.