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If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma --- And bang! Back to plasma!
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, and a mind to study these things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

There could have been trillions of big bangs throughout eternity for all we know. I believe the big bang as we know it was in response to heavenly activities instigated by an angel we know as Lucifer, whose name means, "light-bearer" - shining one, morning star, Lucifer - hêylêl, hay-lale'; from Strongs H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:—Lucifer.

It appears that Lucifer was once a created being of beauty, intelligence, and power. Having developed an incredible self image he thought to exalt his thrown to even greater heights...

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. - Isaiah 14

As far as the timing I believe that the fall of Lucifer taking a third of the angels with him instigated the big bang...

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. - Revelation 12:3-4

I believe Lucifer knew all along that there was one who would take his place, Jesus Christ our Lord. And that he was preparing an assembly would would rule in his stead. There was an event afterwards in which I would call "The Big Bang" in which mass turned to plasma energy and spread out from a point of origin. What we would measure as trillions of years could have passed until God placed the planet earth into such an orbit that he could call the light day and the darkness night, making the first day of creation. The timing between the big bang and the first day may seem very long. But in eternal measurements very quick.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - 2 Peter 3:8

As far as the ending I would think that Isaac Newton was closest to the truth.... From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

With a thousand years of peace predicted we will have yet another big bang afterwards in which the mass will return to plasma energy in which God will do something else with it.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10
 
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If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma --- And bang! Back to plasma!
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, and a mind to study these things
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

There could have been trillions of big bangs throughout eternity for all we know. I believe the big bang as we know it was in response to heavenly activities instigated by an angel we know as Lucifer, whose name means, "light-bearer" - shining one, morning star, Lucifer - hêylêl, hay-lale'; from Strongs H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:—Lucifer.

It appears that Lucifer was once a created being of beauty, intelligence, and power. Having developed an incredible self image he thought to exalt his thrown to even greater heights...

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. - Isaiah 14

As far as the timing I believe that the fall of Lucifer taking a third of the angels with him instigated the big bang...

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1
And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. - Revelation 12:3-4

I believe Lucifer knew all along that there was one who would take his place, Jesus Christ our Lord. And that he was preparing an assembly would would rule in his stead. There was an even afterwards in which I would call "The Big Bang" in which mass turned to plasma energy and spread out from a point of origin. What we would measure as trillions of years could have passed until God placed the planet earth into such an orbit that he could call the light day and the darkness night, making the first day of creation. The timing between the big bang and the first day may seem very long. But in eternal measurements very quick.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. - 2 Peter 3:8

As far as the ending I would think that Isaac Newton was closest to the truth.... From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

With a thousand years of peace predicted we will have yet another big bang afterwards in which the mass will return to plasma energy in which God will do something else with it.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10
What are your thoughts on Georges Lemaitre, a 1920s Catholic priest who discovered that the universe had a beginning? I am an Old-Earth Creationist.

 
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What are your thoughts on Georges Lemaitre, a 1920s Catholic priest who discovered that the universe had a beginning? I am an Old-Earth Creationist.

Thanks! In reading the Book of Job God had issue most of Job uttering things he knew not...

1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? - Job 38

So hopefully I will have enough humility to admit this is the closest as I can imagine it. As far as other theories such as Old Earth, I would always be interested in some kind of timeline and will research what was said. I will look into the Georges Lemaitre guy, thanks.
 
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Thanks! In reading the Book of Job God had issue most of Job uttering things he knew not...

Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? - Job 38

So hopefully I will have enough humility to admit this is the closest as I can imagine it. As far as other theories such as Old Earth, I would always be interested in some kind of timeline and will research what was said. I will look into the Georges Lemaitre guy, thanks.
You are welcome. We will eventually learn about the truth when we meet God in Heaven. :) For me, I love Psalm 111:2, which says faith and science go hand in hand. Job is also another set of scientific verses, where a leviathan is mentioned (reminds me of dinosaurs or ancient sea creatures).

 
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Also interesting even in tunnel drilling the workers would find many things unexpected...

People died in the tunnel's construction, which is sad, but some fault lines were not known during the construction, according to the Wikipedia. Also, the tunnel costed over $700M in today's money. Whew, that is expensive.
 
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You are welcome. We will eventually learn about the truth when we meet God in Heaven. :) For me, I love Psalm 111:2, which says faith and science go hand in hand. Job is also another set of scientific verses, where a leviathan is mentioned (reminds me of dinosaurs or ancient sea creatures).

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This is the Physical & Life Sciences Forum. As you are both aware it is intended as a Forum for the discussion of science related issues in a science context. There are multiple forums for airing your religious beliefs.

As experienced CFers you should both know better.

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This is the Physical & Life Sciences Forum. As you are both aware it is intended as a Forum for the discussion of science related issues in a science context. There are multiple forums for airing your religious beliefs.

As experienced CFers you should both know better.

OB
I do agree on that, this could have gone better in the Theistic Evolution/Creation section more so compared to the science section. But hey, we all make mistakes, my brother. :)
 
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I do agree on that, this could have gone better in the Theistic Evolution/Creation section more so compared to the science section. But hey, we all make mistakes, my brother. :)

There are some of us, including you, who like to talk about actual science. If I sound irritated it's because science posts are regularly dragged off-topic into religion vs science debates (examples include Creationism dragged into an evolution related thread).

This is particularly annoying when there are multiple Forums where science/Christianity issues can be legitimately discussed.

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There are some of us, including you, who like to talk about actual science. If I sound irritated it's because science posts are regularly dragged off-topic into religion vs science debates (examples include Creationism dragged into an evolution related thread).

This is particularly annoying when there are multiple Forums where science/Christianity issues can be legitimately discussed.

OB
I do agree, pretty much 100%. I was hoping that this was gonna be a discussion about JWST (James Webb Space Telescope) discoveries or something. :)
 
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What are your thoughts on Georges Lemaitre, a 1920s Catholic priest who discovered that the universe had a beginning?

"Discovered"???

Or "confirmed"?
 
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There could have been trillions of big bangs throughout eternity for all we know. I believe the big bang as we know it was in response to heavenly activities instigated by an angel we know as Lucifer, whose name means, "light-bearer" - shining one, morning star, Lucifer - hêylêl, hay-lale'; from Strongs H1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:—Lucifer.

"Lucifer" does not mean "morning star."

"Morning star" refers to Jesus, not Lucifer.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
 
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"Discovered"???

Or "confirmed"?
Lemaitre developed the Big Bang theory. But yes, this whole thread belongs in the Theistic Evolution and Creation section, as my fellow @rockytopva has said about his own OP.
 
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"Big Bang theory"???

Or "the universe had a beginning"?
Well, at the time in the 1920s, most scientists back then thought the universe was in a steady state (as in, it has existed for infinitely many years). Lemaitre was the first scientist, along with Hubble to prove that the universe had a beginning. The concept of a "beginning" of the universe is a Christian ideal. Anyways, it is getting late here, but it is good that science (when done properly), can prove faith.

For instance, my guy @Vambram made a post about how archeologists proved a Biblical event where 185,000+ soldiers were killed 2,700 years ago near Jerusalem: Proof of Bible story about angels killing 185,000 soldiers in a night is uncovered after 2,700 years
 
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