Multiple Abortions

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That makes about as much since as the comparison between fetus and cancer.

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[charityagape]

Wish I had the particular stats, but it is not an uncommon occurence for some women to have multiple abortions. Even some pro-choicers don't think it's 'morally' right. I've also wondered why that has never been brought up....the limits on the amts of abortion one woman receives.....

From the cdc, table 13, in that one year 261, 421 women (from reported stations) had at least 1 previous abortion. 62, 506 women had at least two previous abortions. 43,424 women had at least 3 previous abortions and 8,795 women reported an unkown amount of previous abortions.


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5212a1.htm#tab13

 

[loriersea]

Another big problem I have with abortions, is we do not know who the child could have become. Maybe they could have become the world's greatest scientist or possibly the worst criminal the world has ever seen. Still, it is the woman's choice.

And it's possible that tonight my husband and I could have conceived the world's greatest scientist were I not on birth control. And it's possible that if I had married my high school boyfriend that our DNA could have meshed perfectly to create an uber-human. All of that is possible. That doesn't mean that we should copulate with every person we come into contact with so as not to potentially prevent an amazing human person from being created.

I think it's just hard for us as a people to accept that women have multiple abortions for selfish reasons. Lets say all women who have multiple abortions SOLELY do it bc of being told the fetus will have anomolies. Well isn't it more responsible to get sterilized than to keep taking crap shots at getting pg, hoping for a healthy baby?

Rape cases aside....no one is forcing the woman to have unprotected sex!

I just want to reiterate that there really are women who have very bad luck with birth control. I have a friend who has three children, two of whom are pill babies. She and her husband have taken to using condoms and the pill after the birth of the third, and she recently used EC after their condom broke, because she just does not trust the pill to prevent pregnancies for her. There are also many women who cannot use hormonal birth control safely, for any number of reasons, and barrier methods of birth control are far less effective in preventing pregnancy, although still effective if used correctly and consistently.

I used to be one of those people who assumed that anyone who claimed they got pregnant while on BC must not have really been using it, because I am a normally fertile person and never had an unwanted pregnancy, and I've always been an extremely diligent (if not obsessive) birth control user. But, while it is not common, there really are women who get pregnant while diligently using birth control. A friend of my in grad school is one of the most anal-retentive people I'd ever met, and she got pregnant while using the pill faithfully. Some unluckly women even get pregnant more than once on BC. I now just consider myself blessed that I have thus far been able to avoid pregnancy when I wanted to, and to get pregnant when I wanted to, and I wish that all women were so fortunate. I don't think that accusing women whose circumstances we know nothing of of irresponsibility is the right path to take.

I guess it's like divorce/remarriage, again. For all we know, that person who is going on their fourth divorce might have went into each marriage fully intending it to be a lifelong commitment, and then got cheated on every single time. That might be a sign that they should perhaps have different criteria for evaluating mates in the future--just as multiple pregnancies using the same birth control method should probably be cause to reevaluate that method's usefulness for you--but since we don't know what their circumstance is, we aren't in a position to accuse them of entering into marriage irresponsibly any of those four times.

Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe it is immoral in an individual woman's case to have multiple abortions; maybe it isn't. That information is only privvy to the woman, God, her doctor, and anyone else she cares to share her circumstances with. I think that our responsibility is just to make sure that the woman has access to a safe, legal abortion, so that her case, which may or may not be immoral, is not turned into the absolutely immoral event of a woman dying after an illegal abortion.

 

[loriersea]

Wish I had the particular stats, but it is not an uncommon occurence for some women to have multiple abortions. Even some pro-choicers don't think it's 'morally' right. I've also wondered why that has never been brought up....the limits on the amts of abortion one woman receives.....

I just want to clarify that the pro-choice position is not a moral stance on abortion, but a legal one. Whether or not abortion is moral is an entirely different issue from whether or not it should be legal. Divorce is generally immoral, but most of us don't want to make it illegal. There is nothing inherently immoral about speeding, but it is illegal.

I don't know if abortion is immoral. I tend to think it is moral or immoral on a case-by-case basis, like many things in life. I DO know that women having illegal abortions while society turns a blind eye is absolutely immoral, and that forcing women to bear children they cannot or do not want to raise is absolutely immoral. So, I believe that abortion must remain legal, for moral reasons, but that doesn't mean that I think that all abortion themselves are moral.

 

[katautumn]

How are repeat miscarriages and abortion not relevant when used in the context which I did?

A woman has an incompetent cervix. She knows this. Her husband knows this. Her doctor certainly knows this. Is it not selfish to know that you will, most likely, lose every pregnancy that occurs and yet you keep trying and trying to carry to full-term? Is it not irresponsible to put your body through that? Repeat miscarriages carry the exact same risks as repeat abortions. So, let me get this straight:

A) Giving your body the opportunity to naturally terminate pregnancy after pregnancy, knowing beforehand that would be the most likely outcome = good, loving, responsible and acceptable.

B) Having a procedure to terminate a pregnancy knowing beforehand you're not adequately prepared for a pregnancy = evil, hateful, irreponsible and morally reprehensible?

 

[loriersea]

A) Giving your body the opportunity to naturally terminate pregnancy after pregnancy, knowing beforehand that would be the most likely outcome = good, loving, responsible and acceptable.

B) Having a procedure to terminate a pregnancy knowing beforehand you're not adequately prepared for a pregnancy = evil, hateful, irreponsible and morally reprehensible?

That is a great question. Why would we consider it okay for a woman to knowingly willingly put her fetus in danger time and time again--which is comparable, if you believe that a fetus is a child, to putting a child in danger time and time again--but not okay for her to terminate an accidental pregnancy?

If a fetus is indeed a person, and killing a fetus is indeed murder, then the woman who gets pregnant knowing there is a good chance that she will miscarry or be unable to carry the pregnancy to term is criminally liable for endangering her fetus.

 

[AcadiaMoon]

Here is another thread concerning abortion. I'm not sure if this has been covered yet. Since abortions are legal, is it okay for the woman to have as many as she desires? Is there a limit on how many a woman can have? To me, having one abortion to get rid of an unwanted or unintended pregnancy, while very sad, is a legitimate right. But if the women has more than one, isn't she just being irresponsible? Instead of practicing safe sex and insuring that she does not get pregnant, she would assume that she can abort the unwanted child as many times as she likes? If I am wrong on this, please let me know.

The only people who can say if it's OK or not are the women having them and their doctors. As an outsider it's not really our right to tell people if they have a right to a legal procedure and if they do, how many times they have that right.

I've had a therapeutic D&C and it certainly won't go down as one of the most comfortable things I've ever done. I can't imagine that anybody who's had one would put themselves in a situation where they could have two. I certainly have no desire to have another D&C and I had mine for reasons that were totally out of my control.

 

[Katya]

I read some months back in cosmo, a woman who had 4 abortions. She was still relatively young. Well younger than me anyway. I don't remember the reasons why she did it. I think one of them was because she broke up with her boyfriend. Or something like that. However she said that she would love to have children one day.

I don't have a problem with women who have abortions, I know a few ppl who have had them. It doesn't make them a bad person, but some of the reasons can be purely selfish.