Multiple Abortions

[TeddyKGB]

Wish I had the particular stats, but it is not an uncommon occurence for some women to have multiple abortions. Even some pro-choicers don't think it's 'morally' right. I've also wondered why that has never been brought up....the limits on the amts of abortion one woman receives.....

If elective abortions are legal, we cannot arbitrarily limit their frequency because we are uncomfortable. There must be an additional legal, or perhaps medical, reason to do so.

 

[MERCY@GRACE]

I think it's just hard for us as a people to accept that women have multiple abortions for selfish reasons. Lets say all women who have multiple abortions SOLELY do it bc of being told the fetus will have anomolies. Well isn't it more responsible to get sterilized than to keep taking crap shots at getting pg, hoping for a healthy baby?

Rape cases aside....no one is forcing the woman to have unprotected sex!

 

[TeddyKGB]

I think it's just hard for us as a people to accept that women have multiple abortions for selfish reasons. Lets say all women who have multiple abortions SOLELY do it bc of being told the fetus will have anomolies. Well isn't it more responsible to get sterilized than to keep taking crap shots at getting pg, hoping for a healthy baby?

It depends on external circumstances, really. That scenario appears irresponsible now, when we have a huge population and positive growth.

But what would we say to the woman who has three miscarriages and a 20% chance of a healthy conception after, say, a nuclear holocaust? "Keep trying, honey" comes to mind.

My point here is that it is rarely possible to have a one-size-fits-all moral precept.

Rape cases aside....no one is forcing the woman to have unprotected sex!

It would indeed be nice if we could count on everyone to be sexually responsible at all times.

 

[Lokisdottir]

But it isn't her body. In order for something to be apart of the woman's body it has to have EXACT DNA, but the fetus has different DNA than the woman. It's not just a part of her body.

That's not really applicable here. Genetic mosaic usually involve slight changes, a fetus has 50% different DNA than the parent.

It is the genome of an entirely different person.

Hey now, don't go shifting qpmomma's goalposts. A slight change is still a change.

What about the recipient of an organ donation?

 

[MERCY@GRACE]

It depends on external circumstances, really. That scenario appears irresponsible now, when we have a huge population and positive growth.

But what would we say to the woman who has three miscarriages and a 20% chance of a healthy conception after, say, a nuclear holocaust? "Keep trying, honey" comes to mind.

My point here is that it is rarely possible to have a one-size-fits-all moral precept.

It would indeed be nice if we could count on everyone to be sexually responsible at all times.

Thank you for debating maturely. Even though it's obvious we are on other sides of the fence....it's nice to discuss issues such as this w/out the sarcasm, and uncontrolled emotions I'LL get to the rest of your points when time allows

 

[Followers4christ]

In my opinion abortion is murder.Also when a woman is pregnant.her body does not just belong to her anymore but also to her unborn childs too.God Bless

 

[TeddyKGB]

Thank you for debating maturely. Even though it's obvious we are on other sides of the fence....it's nice to discuss issues such as this w/out the sarcasm, and uncontrolled emotions

Glad to do my part.

 

[Helo]

As the mother of a special needs child, I take offense to your comments. It appears that you are suggesting that all babies with birth defects should be aborted. My son would tell you that you are wrong, and so do I.

Im not suggesting anything of the sort. I DO think it should be an option though for defects that are life-threatening. Im sure your son is a wonderful guy, I was speaking of defects in the mother that contribute to a more dangerous birth

Cancer doesn't come out of the mother some months later, and learn to walk, talk, use a toilet, and share love with those it is closest to, either. So your comparison is irrelevant.

Yes a fetus DOES come out, but untill then it is entirely dependant on the mother for food, shelter, water, air, etc etc

 

[HouseApe]

I think a lot of pro-choicers are uncomfortable with using abortion as birth control. I am one of them. I have children, I understand the intensity of the relationship. When we first see our children, we see them as babies. It is hard to disassociate that picture of them, even when they are just a few cells.

It is an emotional thing that I can look past. I don't think I look down on a person for having multiple abortions per se, as much as I look down on them for being so irresponsible about their sexuality.

 

[rkymtnjesusfreak]

Comparing abortion to miscarriage is like comparing bulimia to the flu. They are not related.

 

[Yusuf Evans]

Another big problem I have with abortions, is we do not know who the child could have become. Maybe they could have become the world's greatest scientist or possibly the worst criminal the world has ever seen. Still, it is the woman's choice. However, mulitiple abortions, simply as a method of birth control and not practicing responsible sexual behavior, is akin to being a serial killer. You show no compassion for life, only your own wants and desires. This shows a distain for actual human life.

 

[flicka]

Another big problem I have with abortions, is we do not know who the child could have become. Maybe they could have become the world's greatest scientist or possibly the worst criminal the world has ever seen. Still, it is the woman's choice. However, mulitiple abortions, simply as a method of birth control and not practicing responsible sexual behavior, is akin to being a serial killer. You show no compassion for life, only your own wants and desires. This shows a distain for actual human life.

Ehh, not really. I mean if you hold the position that abortion is not murder (no human life, no soul, etc. until the fetus is viable or at some point late in the pregnancy)then you are not intentionally showing disdain for human life or being selfish in any way. It just appears that way to you and those who think the way you do....which is the crux of the abortion wars.

 

[Helo]

Another big problem I have with abortions, is we do not know who the child could have become. Maybe they could have become the world's greatest scientist or possibly the worst criminal the world has ever seen.

Its never healthy to play the guessing game

 

[Dislike]

If you get twenty, you win a car!

 

[""]

Although I wouldn't like it personally...
I see no reason why a woman can't use abortion as a form of birth control.

Two words: Scar. Tissue.

Some abortions will produce scar tissue that can be removed with another procedure. (not all, but some. So please don't hit me with your links about women who don't develop scar tissue. I just said "some" but not all) However, the risk of more scar tissue developing in a patient who is prone to developing scar tissue after surgical procedures, then becomes greater.

This is not to say that every woman who has an abortion will have scar tissue, but some will. Scar tissue in the uterus can lead to problematic periods, difficult pregnancies, and difficulty as one gets older, in relation to maintaining a healthy uterus.

Something to keep in mind.

 

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Another big problem I have with abortions, is we do not know who the child could have become. Maybe they could have become the world's greatest scientist or possibly the worst criminal the world has ever seen. Still, it is the woman's choice. However, mulitiple abortions, simply as a method of birth control and not practicing responsible sexual behavior, is akin to being a serial killer. You show no compassion for life, only your own wants and desires. This shows a distain for actual human life.

Its never healthy to play the guessing game

Well Helo, then perhaps a woman contemplating an abortion shouldn't venture to guess at who she could be without a baby. In that case, many abortions would be passed over, in favor of having the child instead. So you're right. That's great advice, even if you didn't mean for it to be.

No more dreaming. No more guessing. Only safe and responsible behavior, which means putting the life of your child ahead of your own. Great job Helo!

 

[Dislike]

Well Helo, then perhaps a woman contemplating an abortion shouldn't venture to guess at who she could be without a baby. In that case, many abortions would be passed over, in favor of having the child instead. So you're right. That's great advice, even if you didn't mean for it to be.

No more dreaming. No more guessing. Only safe and responsible behavior, which means putting the life of your child ahead of your own. Great job Helo!

The first and last part of that bit aren't related.

 

[Helo]

Well Helo, then perhaps a woman contemplating an abortion shouldn't venture to guess at who she could be without a baby. In that case, many abortions would be passed over, in favor of having the child instead. So you're right. That's great advice, even if you didn't mean for it to be.

No more dreaming. No more guessing. Only safe and responsible behavior, which means putting the life of your child ahead of your own. Great job Helo!

I meant its not healthy to sit there and say "Well, what if?" I mean you could sit there and say "Well...I shouldnt get out of bed today because what if something I do could in-advertently hurt someone else?"

 

[charityagape]

Cancer is a lump of cells that replicates and grows out of control using the person's body for fuel. A fetus is a lump of cells that draws food and energy from the mother. Tumors cant survive without something to feed off of, a fetus is the same, it cannot survive without the mother.[/QUOTE]


You set astride a motorcycle and it can transport you from one place to another, its like a horse.

That makes about as much since as the comparison between fetus and cancer.

 

[""]

The first and last part of that bit aren't related.

So are you saying that putting the life of your child ahead of your own isn't the responsible thing to do, being that you are the one who originally behaved irresponsibly which resulted in a child? When does responsibility come into play?

It seems that you suggesting the following:
You're not responsible when you have sex without protection.
You're not responsible when you get somebody pregnant (or you yourself get pregnant).
You're not responsible for the baby when deciding what comes next.

When are you going to be responsible?