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True. I find it hilarious that his is no better than mine. Two different degrees, two different sets of work. I never told him mine was better than his.Basically, if someone has a degree from an unaccredited institution, then there's no guarantee that they received the proper training, education, and experience needed to properly practice their vocation.
I can understand that. I really can. I can also understand that your MBA is a bit different that a MS in geophysics, as well. You think your MBA is hard to get, I’m sure the fella with a MS in geophysics thinks his is as well.The issue comes when people falsely represent themselves as being something that they aren't... in other words, when they lie about their skills and education.
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Now compare this to the doof who starts waving around a piece of paper that they got simply by paying a couple of thousand dollars and writing a few essays.
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We went through Hell on Earth in order to establish that we're qualified to engage in the vocation and discuss the subject matter that we trained for. These people probably knocked it all out in a weekend between episodes of "Keeping Up With The Kardashians."
Yeah.
That's why folks who got their degrees the old-fashioned way tend to not be happy with folks who got their degrees from diploma mills.
That pastor earned his in whatever way his school wanted. And I did mine as well. I never questioned his degree’s validity. Nor did I ever ask for any position with his church, in fact I made it clear that I did NOT want a position.
Good point. Must make sure all of my schooling meets his expectations if I decide to go to his church. Not.Have you asked that pastor why that pastor is offended by the ordination from your school? In order to answer your question, I think we need to know more. Your school might have beliefs which that pastor finds to be un-Biblical.
You might have a plausible argument, IF I wanted a role in his church other than a member of his congregation.
Last time I talked with him, he wouldn’t discuss it. And that was the last time I went to his church. I was to the point of regretting going to church. More than him, but the people there. But no matter, because I wasn’t going to church for them, though the environment was not what I wanted to tolerate. His church is not the only one on Earth.Also, since I do not know you, I need to consider it possible that the other pastor is not offended but is very concerned about what you believe and cares about you. But if you are in denial, you could suppose he is offended. So, I think we need for that pastor to speak for one's own self, about this.
Ok. I made the mistake of mentioning that, so let me explain that a bit further....Again, it depends on what doctrinal difference you are talking about. Also, there are the "therefores" > because of what you believe, "therefore" what do you do and think? If for only one example, you do not eat pork, therefore do you feel your belief in Jesus is superior to the belief of someone who does eat pork? If your therefore has some superiority attitude or teaching, about only a practice outward of eating pork or not . . . this could be taken to be some form of "legalism", in which people can measure themselves by certain outward religious activities they prize and use to compare themselves with other people.
I am invited to a church breakfast, and once there I ask if there is anything other than bacon for meat...they say no & ask why...I tell them I don’t eat pork...they ask why asking specifically if it’s health reasons...I say no that it’s religious...and they go bonkers telling me about the “Mosaic law”...I tell them “don’t worry about it, I don’t want any bacon”...only to find out they cook everything in bacon grease...which the thought nauseates me...so I politely turn down the breakfast...they get upset preaching about how “after the flood all is good to eat”.
I have gotten into some intense arguments over it. Hey, if I don’t want to eat pork because I believe it’s gonna make the sky turn green, that’s MY call. My mouth eats it. My stomach digests it. Who cares? Maybe it’s gonna make trees talk and dogs walk backwards! Who cares? I never expect anyone else to eat to my standards. I have had people over for dinner before and they didn’t like what I had fixed. You know what I did? Shrugged my shoulders and apologized. “Sorry! It’s what I fixed. If I knew earlier I could have fixed something else.” No harm, no foul.
Maybe it’s more points. Maybe it’s because I just choose to. Dude, I can call it whatever I want. You don’t seem to get that. NO ONE seems to.Well, if you suppose that not eating pig meat is a way of getting extra points for showing Jesus how much you believe in Him . . . I think we show Jesus how much we believe in Him, much moreso by how we love any and all people . . . following His example of how He has loved us
com7fy8, I promise you, the next time I go to a church breakfast I vow I will eat every scrap and morsel of dead pig so they, and you, can feel safe with the idea that what I consume somehow makes me a better whatever for everyone else to marvel at for whatever reason. It's really nothing to get wrapped up over. I just don't eat it. I can give any reason in the world. No one is going to die because I don't eat it.And, "therefore", a dietary gesture would be very minor by comparison with the sacrifices I make, of forgiving and of being sacrificed to doing only what our Father has us doing in His peace
I rarely discuss why I don’t eat pork. I just say “religious reasons”.I offer that I "get" Romans 14 > which means that eating meat from a dead pig is fine with Jesus; and if I do not get extra points by trusting Jesus by eating pork, then surely you also do not get extra points by not eating pork . . . since Paul clearly says . . . in Romans 14 . . . how it does not make any difference, either way. But in case you are feeling like somehow what you are doing is better . . . when Paul says either way can be "unto the Lord", then it could be your superiority stance which is attracting the criticism and attacks; possibly you are not being attacked because of merely what is going into your mouth . . . but because of how you are coming out about it.
Is there a reason why my choice to not eat pork bothers you so much?Why would so many people even know about you not eating meat from a dead pig? I mean, if our Apostle Paul means for us to be humble about what we eat and not to look down on those who eat differently than we do, then why would we make a show of letting people know what we eat? Why would any of us be calling a lot of attention to what we eat, if Colossians 3:2 says to keep our minds on things above? Why would we make some project of calling attention "elsewhere", if God is trusting us to pastor people's attention to "things above", not to "things on the earth"? If you were humbling how you don't eat pork, how ever would a lot of people know so they could be criticizing and attacking you? I am sure that in the Bible there are much more important things for our attention . . . and as pastors we need to shepherd people's attention to what is most important.
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