Mueller Files First Charges

[Ygrene Imref]

Or you know, we could turn back the tide against the bigotry and retake the country before Trump and Co. push it off a ledge.

The country is already falling, and has been way before Trump, or either Bush (to be fair.) Trump is the catalysts... the "activation energy" to cause the entire thing to plummet. Things were starting to pick back up, so this will seal the deal.

What do you think will happen to distract the public from these political indiscretions? Look, and listen very closely.

 

[whatbogsends]

As we were told last week when it was confirmed the Hillary and DNC campaigns bought a Russian dossier on Trump....it's just opposition research.

We will have to wait for the hard copy evidence Papa took and or paid for foreign intelligence.

Because we already know just sitting down and talking with Russians is not illegal. We learned that last week.

Were crimes committed in the act of assembling the dossier? In regards to the Russians, there appears to be hacking into DNC servers (illegal), and activity associated with that would also be illegal.

 

[super animator]

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Now it is becoming entertaining to see the defense of the administration.

It will be even more entertaining 30 years from now when the history books declare how an entity like Trump caused the downfall of America through demagoguery, bigotry and dog-whistle racism. If CF still exists, we will know them by handle; one may be able to perceive them in person. As far as the real word goes, the States must double down on bigotry and division or it will implode. I am assuming Westerners like to go out with a bang as opposed to a whimper?

Let me guess your interested in the downfall of the US?

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Let me guess your interested in the downfall of the US?

Absolutely not, as much of my family is from the States.

However, I won't be ignorant of what is going on, precisely because I have familiar investments in the country. The country has already let the terrorists win by enacting the very draconian rule that Americans swore would never penetrate their freedom. Right now, a farce is going on to distract the people from the collapse of a modern empire. It really isn't anything new; it is a predictable and exploitable paradigm shift unfortunately.

I would like to be optimistic and say that things can change, but I strongly believe it is way too late. Everyone must double down on their own particular brand of division - because there is nothing left for individuals in the falling empire.

 

[super animator]

Absolutely not, as much of my family is from the States.

However, I won't be ignorant of what is going on, precisely because I have familiar investments in the country. The country has already let the terrorists win by enacting the very draconian rule that Americans swore would never penetrate their freedom. Right now, a farce is going on to distract the people from the collapse of a modern empire. It really isn't anything new; it is a predictable and exploitable paradigm shift unfortunately.

I would like to be optimistic and say that things can change, but I strongly believe it is way too late. Everyone must double down on their own particular brand of division - because there is nothing left for individuals in the falling empire.

You mean the same kind of action that France is taking right now, while UK does the same with it's surveillance programs (IRC)?

 

[mark kennedy]

Absolutely not, as much of my family is from the States.

However, I won't be ignorant of what is going on, precisely because I have familiar investments in the country. The country has already let the terrorists win by enacting the very draconian rule that Americans swore would never penetrate their freedom. Right now, a farce is going on to distract the people from the collapse of a modern empire. It really isn't anything new; it is a predictable and exploitable paradigm shift unfortunately.

I would like to be optimistic and say that things can change, but I strongly believe it is way too late. Everyone must double down on their own particular brand of division - because there is nothing left for individuals in the falling empire.

I thought the same thing when Trump and Clinton were running, but I refuse to surrender. We were going to get a basket of deplorable policies regardless but I don't believe we are without hope. Clean out the Congress and the country will be saved, it's time.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

You mean the same kind of action that France is taking right now, while UK does the same with it's surveillance programs (IRC)?

I understand about European Orwellian government and Kantian dialectics, but I meant exactly what I said:

Patriot Act

Making Airport Security a Federal position

Centralized Banking Systems

Coups in other countries (yet the mention of such a thing in America invokes emotions of incredulity and disgust - as if America is above toppling governments on purpose and placing puppets in government.)

The way America treats its hyphenated citizens is atrocious, and only rivaled by the amount of purposeful ignorance and denial of this treatment.

NDAA
AHA

America traded veneers of security and safety for freedoms. Now, your children are groped by your government-controlled Airport agents. You can be arrested without trial - the laws on domestic terrorism are vague for a reason. The Patriot Act is vague and encompassing for a reason. The AHA is 900+ pages for a reason.

Nothing that was lost - freedoms or finance - was without the consent of the public. So, technically it is not Trump's fault - or his administration's fault. He is simply the catalyst to provoke what was already inevitable. The very reason why a demagogue like Trump would be elected in the first place is because the American population's denial of its terrible history to its hyphenated citizens is exploitable.


Do we think this is something new - what is going on in the States? This is very basic destabilization tactics...

 

[Ygrene Imref]

I thought the same thing when Trump and Clinton were running, but I refuse to surrender. We were going to get a basket of deplorable policies regardless but I don't believe we are without hope. Clean out the Congress and the country will be saved, it's time.

Well, that is good that you have optimism in your fellow countrymen.

Don't confuse optimism for delusion; after a certain amount of refuse, you have to see humanity (or, at least a culture that grossly, vociferously, ignorantly and unapologetically presents itself) for what it is - spiritual and social dereliction with the hauteur of an Olympian.

EDIT: I have a socially cynical view of humanity, which does not only include Americans, or the West.

The whole lot of us is terribly and terrifyingly lost.

 

[mark kennedy]

Well, that is good that you have optimism in your fellow countrymen.

Don't confuse optimism for delusion; after a certain amount of refuse, you have to see humanity (or, at least a culture that grossly, vociferously, ignorantly and unapologetically presents itself) for what it is - spiritual and social dereliction with the hauteur of an Olympian.

EDIT: I have a socially cynicval view of humanity, which does not only include Americans, or the West.

The whole lot of us is terribly and terrifyingly lost.

I feel your pain but there are some things working for us, one, Trump can't do much. Secondly our economy is doing just fine, maybe better then ever, in spite of Trump. I do believe we are on the decline as a nation and while that is sad, it took Rome longer to fall then we have been a nation.

 

[Ygrene Imref]

Well, that is good that you have optimism in your fellow countrymen.

Don't confuse optimism for delusion; after a certain amount of refuse, you have to see humanity (or, at least a culture that grossly, vociferously, ignorantly and unapologetically presents itself) for what it is - spiritual and social dereliction with the hauteur of an Olympian.

I feel your pain but there are some things working for us, one, Trump can't do much. Secondly our economy is doing just fine, maybe better then ever, in spite of Trump. I do believe we are on the decline as a nation and while that is sad, it took Rome longer to fall then we have been a nation.

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I really admire your resolve to stay confident in humanity.

Rome existed much longer than America. When I say America is about to fall, I mean exactly what I said. Rome fell once, and scattered. All real empires have fallen at least once - that is how you earn your bones, go through the sophomoric stages of being a republic/democracy, etc. It is almost inevitable.

The real issue I have with the people is that it seems many are ignorant of this sinusoidal inevitability of an empire - and believe that America is somehow impervious to a fall. The arrogance increases with every folly, and the denial grows with every blatant infringement. An empire is due a fall; the "Phoenix" nature of the empire is what makes it great. America is a very young and haughty empire; as said "it sits a Queen, and has not been a widow."

I would love to be optimistic about the trajectory of the entire world, but it seems like humans are struggling to fulfill all of the prophecies that come with a change in an age/major shift in paradigm. I am not sure humans believe we can make real change without going through a cliche fire, or struggle. It is the inherent feeling of justification we need, and our most accessible forms of "growth" come from struggles in nature. We act like we know no better. And, if someone should claim they have a better way, they are usually ridiculed, exiled or murdered.

If that cycle doesn't change, it will continue to be predictable, periodic and mundane - the trajectory of humanity.

 

[redleghunter]

Consider what would happen if any of the following testifies before the committee: Trump, Jr, Pence, Ivanca and Kushner.

It seems likely that some of them would be caught up in lies severe enough to prosecute. Of course, Trump could pardon them when convicted.

I think Donny Jr came clean up front and early. What Kushners have to deal with this case is unknown right now. They may be under executive privilege if dealing directly with POTUS when he became POTUS.

I think DC's new power couple are a bit more wiley and prudent like the younger Clintons were. Ivanka has aspirations.

 

[redleghunter]

It's not illegal to meet with foriegn national but you have to include that in the national security application.

Tell me about that. Just updated my security clearance for my job. I had to claim family BBQs with my buddies wife who is German and a legal resident here.

I even claimed knowing a Russian born but US Army officer I recently trained. They will stop an investigation cold now if they think you had foreign contacts outside of normal military or diplomatic work.

One of my warrant officers had his security clearance stopped because he mentioned visiting Korea with his wife. Then did not claim his Korean in laws.

That's how much of the colonoscopy tube is used on regular Joes getting a clearance. Yet influence peddlers like Manafort and Podesta get an easy nod.

Drain the swamp. All of them.

 

[redleghunter]

An investigation into a savings and loan scam results in an impeachment over personal indiscretions that were completely unrelated. Your not comparing apples to apples

Well not yet.

BTW Clinton was impeached on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. Related to false testimony over sexual assault claims by Paula Jones.

You are correct it had nothing to do with the original scope of the SP office.

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

 

[mark kennedy]

Well not yet.

BTW Clinton was impeached on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice. Related to false testimony over sexual assault claims by Paula Jones.

You are correct it had nothing to do with the original scope of the SP office.

Impeachment of Bill Clinton - Wikipedia

The Paula Jones suit was dismissed as frivolous and Monica Lewinsky was based on someone listening illegally. It was all politics, Republicans have a nerve to compare this to that. Trump and his associates aware doing something that reeks of greed and corruption, where is that famous indignation over character now? Silence.

 

[mark kennedy]

Tell me about that. Just updated my security clearance for my job. I had to claim family BBQs with my buddies wife who is German and a legal resident here.

I even claimed knowing a Russian born but US Army officer I recently trained. They will stop an investigation cold now if they think you had foreign contacts outside of normal military or diplomatic work.

One of my warrant officers had his security clearance stopped because he mentioned visiting Korea with his wife. Then did not claim his Korean in laws.

That's how much of the colonoscopy tube is used on regular Joes getting a clearance. Yet influence peddlers like Manafort and Podesta get an easy nod.

Drain the swamp. All of them.

Sessions met with the Russian ambassador and Flynn was a Forign agent who was clearly compromised. They don't adhere to normative standards. There are consequences it just takes longer with the White House.

I knew a felon who got a top secret while I couldn't get one because my bank automatically stopped paying on my student loans after twelve months. This has gone way beyond anecdotal, the system in indiscriminate.

 

[Uncle Siggy]

 

[Uncle Siggy]

Tell me about that. Just updated my security clearance for my job. I had to claim family BBQs with my buddies wife who is German and a legal resident here.

I can remember friends and family calling me and saying "I've got strange people calling me and asking weird questions about you"...

 

[TLK Valentine]

No priors. Already complied with the SP office handing over hundreds of documents. Although a slime ball Manafort was compliant before the break in raid.

I get it the dude is dirty but had no priors and was cooperating.

Why take chances that he'll destroy evidence before the feds acquire it?

If this was some liberal pol I'm sure you would be concerned the heavy hand of government coming down on such a person.

Nope, although if this were some liberal pol you'd be chanting "lock her up! lock her up! lock her up!"

Sound familiar?

Why not a knock? They had warrants. You knock and if they refuse you bust the door down.

And if they erase hard drives, shred documents, and flush evidence while the police are knocking doors down, what then?

Very odd and all the privacy defenders are silent except for me.

Most likely because this has nothing to do with privacy -- a warrant was sought and legally obtained. You're upset because the feds weren't polite enough.

You're not defending privacy -- you're defending political correctness.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Manafort is an influence peddler. He provided services for Dem and Rep campaigns and administrations before joining team Trump. Or was that fact lost on the comments you made?

And he was hired by team Donald precisely because he was an influence peddler... or is that fact lost on the comments you made?

One has to wonder what kind of influence got Donald's attention...

 

[withwonderingawe]

This Howy Kurtz on George

....What strikes me is that for those characters in the Trump orbit who were interested in colluding with Russia, they weren’t very good at it. Not much, as far as we know now, ever got done.

For instance, Papadopoulos said in one email that he had been introduced to Vladimir Putin’s niece. Except that, as a brief online search would have revealed, Putin doesn’t have a niece.....

.....Scottish professor Joseph Mifsud told the Daily Telegraph that he knew nothing about digging up Hillary dirt and that it was a "laughing stock" to say he had introduced Papadopoulos to a Russian female national.

Earlier, Mifsud told the Post that he had "absolutely no contact" with the Russian government: "I am an academic, I do not even speak Russian."

So Papadopoulos appears to have been a lousy colluder."

Russia probe reveals the gang that couldn't collude straight