Mr Tump and Mr Musk set the world to rights.

[durangodawood]

that moment when a Guardian journalist thinks he is smarter than Elon Musk lol

yeah ok

Lots of very smart people can be wrong. Or lie. Especially when they perceive that personal interests are at stake, be they material - or ideological.

 

[The Barbarian]

that moment when a Guardian journalist thinks he is smarter than Elon Musk lol

To be fair, most everyone is smarter than Elon Musk has been in the last few years.

Advertisers are “not coming back” to X, said Lou Paskalis, the founder and chief executive of AJL Advisory, a marketing consultancy. “There is no advertising value that would offset the reputational risk of going back on the platform.”
Mr. Musk has repeatedly criticized and alienated advertisers since buying Twitter last year. At one point, he threatened a “thermonuclear name & shame” against advertisers who paused their spending because they were concerned about his plans to loosen content moderation rules on X.

In recent weeks, more than 200 advertisers had halted their spending on X after Mr. Musk endorsed an antisemitic conspiracy theory and researchers called attention to instances of ads appearing alongside pro-Nazi posts on the platform. The company, which has made most of its revenue from advertising, is at risk of losing up to $75 million this quarter as brands back away.

Advertisers Say They Do Not Plan to Return to X After Musk’s Comments (Published 2023)

Elon Musk, the owner of X, criticized advertisers with expletives on Wednesday at The New York Times’s DealBook Summit.

www.nytimes.com

June 18, 2024

Elon Musk's X revenue has officially plummeted, new documents show​

However, these new documents make it official: According to X, the company's revenue has plummeted since Musk took over.​

In the first six months of 2023 — the first full year in which Musk controlled the company — X's revenue fell by nearly 40 percent from the same period the prior year. The company brought in $1.48 billion during that time period. Furthermore, X lost $456 million in the first quarter of 2023.

Elon Musk's X revenue has officially plummeted, new documents show

Remember when Elon Musk said he wanted X to be more PayPal-like? New docs show this plan is still on.

mashable.com

Who else would have failed to recognize that this was a dumb thing to do? It appears that Musk started believing his own press releases.

 

[Larniavc]

that moment when a Guardian journalist thinks he is smarter than Elon Musk lol

yeah ok

What you've done there is mistaken a journalist reporting what Mr Musk has said in a News paper with a Guardian journalist and Mr Musk IQ competition.

I listened to the interview. Despite Mr Musk's wealth his knowledge about climatology is remedial and his consideration of the impacts of nuclear strike on two Japanese cities lacks something of even the most base level of empathy.

 

[tdidymas]

No, I'm telling you *how* sea surface temperatures are measured (and not just near cities, everywhere

What's your point?

 

[tdidymas]

At your comment. It displays a thorough misunderstanding of how these reading are taken.

Suppose you enlighten me, then?

 

[tdidymas]

I see. Well since you have been granted infallibility from on high I shall leave you to your pontificating.

Typical response from someone who refuses to address assumptions.

 

[tdidymas]

That's quite an accusation you make against us. Care to retract it?

Us? and who's "us"?

 

[tdidymas]

“What if all the experts are wrong?”

Exactly, I'm addressing the assumptions the experts make.

 

[Larniavc]

Suppose you enlighten me, then?

You've been told that they are taken from space. You already know that. So why ask me?

 

[Larniavc]

assumptions

What you've done there is confuse assumptions as in accepted as true or as certain to happen (without proof) with conclusions, haven't you?

Do you see now?

 

[Belk]

Typical response from someone who refuses to address assumptions.

 

[tdidymas]

You've been told that they are taken from space. You already know that. So why ask me?

It appears to me that you think global temperature is defined by this and this only. If that's the case, then I think you don't know what you're talking about.

 

[tdidymas]

What you've done there is confuse assumptions as in accepted as true or as certain to happen (without proof) with conclusions, haven't you?

Do you see now?

No, it's appearing to me that you are assuming that global temp data is limited to surface temp of the ocean. Isn't that what you're assuming, by your earlier response?

 

[rjs330]

Before people get too "all hope is lost" defeatist on this...

As I noted in my previous post, per multiple university studies (that came up with similar numbers), the percentage of population that are true climate change deniers is only 16%.

Some other stats to chew on:
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Given that it's considered to be that the GOP is the party that's the "barrier" to addressing climate...if we look at their positions

50% are in favor of carbon taxes
67% are in favor of tax credits for carbon capture
37% are in favor of eliminating carbon emissions by 2040

And while they still have a favorable view of expanding offshore drilling and coal mining. A larger percentage of republicans favor expanding solar and nuclear than favor increasing coal mining. (and even 60% are still okay with expanding Wind Turbine farms despite that being the least popular one among the GOP)


I think this shows that there's enough points of agreement where progress could be made... IF the legislation aimed at it is constructed and worded the right way and avoided injecting social justice verbiage and pork.

The stats above indicate to me that a tight, on-topic bill aimed at increasing carbon taxes, incentivizing carbon capture, and incentivizing expanding nuclear and solar should be able to get a pretty solid bipartisan backing among the electorate.

I totally agree here. I'm still firmly in camp of "we didn't cause climate change and we aren't going to be able to fix it."

But I do believe the climate is changing. Because it's inevitable that it will. The question is what do we do to mitigate the change. And that takea.technology to do it. I'm also for clean air and clean water etc.

And my desire to have clean air and water and to be good stewards of our planet leads me to be willing to also consider sources of energy that are cleaner. And why I support reasonable regulations regarding pollutants.

So.while I am a stubborn old sod, there are things I can certainly get on board with in conjunction with those that believe we are killing the planet.

The downside though is rhere are enough of those who believe that, that would never be satisfied and are demanding swift and comprehensive overhauls.

 

[Hans Blaster]

What's your point?

That you are wrong about biases in instrumental measurments of ocean temperatures.

 

[Larniavc]

It appears to me that you think global temperature is defined by this and this only. If that's the case, then I think you don't know what you're talking about.

I don’t and I do.

 

[tdidymas]

That you are wrong about biases in instrumental measurments of ocean temperatures.

It sounds to me like you are implying that temperature measurement from space is the prime end of all measurements. If so, then you are biased. Is this what you're implying?

 

[Hans Blaster]

It sounds to me like you are implying that temperature measurement from space is the prime end of all measurements. If so, then you are biased. Is this what you're implying?

You made a claim about sensors next to heat sources. That just isnt' a problem as the whole of the ocean is measured.

 

[tdidymas]

You made a claim about sensors next to heat sources. That just isnt' a problem as the whole of the ocean is measured.

The NOAA includes all data, which includes all the sensors all over the world including those in cities and at the ocean floor. Are you telling me that they have excluded all those and use only satellite data? If so, then show me a link to an NOAA article which states that and justifies it.