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LittleLambofJesus said:. Why did God send Jesus?
Deren said:I'm asking about how your sin is atoned for if Jesus didn't go to the cross to die in your behalf. Do you have an answer to that question?
Yes Deren,Let me ask in reference to what you've said above: Just what did you do to atone for your sin, since you seem to be advocating that God commanded you to do something to earn your salvation?
You are saying God sent His begotten son as an "ordinary" prophetBookofknowledge said:4:163
O Muhammad, We have sent revelations to you just as We sent to Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets who came after him; We also sent revelations to Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma`il (Ishmael), Ishaq (Isaac), Ya'qoob (Jacob), his descendants, Isa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Haroon (Aaron) and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawood (David) We gave the Psalms.4:164
Revelations were also sent to those Rasools whom We have already mentioned to you and to those whose name We have not mentioned; to Musa Allah spoke directly. 4:165
All these Rasools conveyed good news to mankind and admonished them so that, after conveying the message through the Rasools, people should have no excuse to plead against Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise.
Don't Worry My Friend, When He asks ME about the OT, or the NT, I will make Sure to Fullfil His Thirst For KnowledgeLittleLambofJesus said:I don't think the muslim understand the OT/OC definition of atonement
LittleLambofJesus said:You are saying God sent His begotten son as an "ordinary" prophet
LittleLambofJesus said:Prove it.
WHOA!!!!!Who said God was not the One and Only Almighty!!!!! Why was Jesus sent into the World?Pleas answer the question.Bookofknowledge said:First of All, Thy God is One and Only, He beggets not, nor is He begotten and there is non comaparable to him.
3:61
If anyone disputes with you concerning this matter (the birth of Jesus) after full knowledge has come to you, say: "Come! Let us gather our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: then let us earnestly pray and invoke the curse of Allah on the liars." 3:62
Verily this is the absolute true explanation. The fact of the matter is, that there is no god but Allah; and for sure Allah is the Mighty, the Wise.
You are saying God sent His begotten son as an "ordinary" prophet(Young) Mark 12:29 and Jesus answered him--`The first of all the commands [is], Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one;
LittleLambofJesus said:WHOA!!!!!Who said God was not the One and Only Almighty!!!!!
LittleLambofJesus said:Why was Jesus sent into the World? Pleas answer the question.
LittleLambofJesus said:You are saying God sent His begotten son as an "ordinary" prophet
Yep. Do you believe He was the King and Savior of Israel?Bookofknowledge said:Cool, now we have some thing common. "The God is One and Only"
Read verse 4:163
Now that you are keep asking me the same question - let me ask you this question, Is it true that Jesus (AS) was born to a virgin women?
LittleLambofJesus said:Yep.
Yep. Do you believe He was the King and Savior of Israel?
Matt 2:5 So they said to him, "In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet: 6 'But you, Bethlehem, [in] the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of You shall come a Ruler Who will Shepherd [#4165] My people Israel.' "
Luke 2:34 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this [Child] is destined for the fall and rising [RESURRECTION] of many in Israel, and for a sign which will be spoken against 35 "(yes, a sword will pierce through your own soul also), that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."
Daniel 12: 2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame [and] everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise shall shine Like the brightness of the firmament, And those who turn many to righteousness Like the stars forever and ever.
And what the heck does that have to do with Jesus being Lord, King and Savior of IsraelBookofknowledge said:Since Jesus (AS) is begotten to a virgin women, Jesus (AS) can not be "The God" or any part of "The God" because Thy God is One and Only, independent of all, while all are dependent on Him, He begets not, nor is He begotten, And there is none comparable to Him.
In conclusion, Jesus is begotten to a vergin that means He is not God or any part of God. Jesus (AS) can not be son of God because God himself says He begets not that means he doesn't have any son.
hence Jesus is a Prophet.
You never answered my question. Was Jesus the Lord, King and Savior of Israel, born of the virgin Mary?Bookofknowledge said:I think I have tried my best to answer his questions, however if any one else want to lead this thread please go ahead.
by the way those who are reading, do you think I try to answer his questions or even came close to answering his questions?
Bookofknowledge said:I think I have tried my best to answer his questions, however if any one else want to lead this thread please go ahead.
by the way those who are reading, do you think I try to answer his questions or even came close to answering his questions?
Very GOOD Question Little, But I would Really Like to Generalize this Question Contain ALL Prophets, From an Islamic Prospective, Since this would Get Us to Know each Other Better.LittleLambofJesus said:So again. Why did God send Jesus the Christ?
Can we agree the jews are still awaiting on their Moshiach? Could Jesus have been the one, because if He wasn't , the jews are waiting in vain for him.All Of the Prophets, Peace be Upon them all, Came to establish this Balance – the Balance between Material & Spiritual life, between Reason & Soul, between this World & the next,
LittleLambofJesus said:You never answered my question. Was Jesus the Lord, King and Savior of Israel, born of the virgin Mary?
This Question My Friend Can be Directed to Jews Themselves, I can't Speak For them. ButLittleLambofJesus said:Can we agree the jews are still awaiting on their Moshiach?
I don't believe that Jesus was the One Jews awaited, Neither He Claimed to Be the Promised One.Could Jesus have been the one, because if He wasn't , the jews are waiting in vain for him
Why are you So Buzzled about the Redeemer Of Israel ? You Already Had your Redeemer Jesus Christ, Right ?We agree Jesus returns in His Glory in the future but the OT/OC prophecied a Savior and Redeemer for Israel. What happened to him?. I am really puzzled on this brother
I understand.I didn't mean for it to be a loaded question, honest.Bookofknowledge said:This my last reply to you on this subject...
When you use loaded term like "Lord" it contradicts with my belief because Only "The God" is the Lord of Mankind and the Lord of Israel.
Note: My advice not to use the word "Lord" when refering to Jesus because there is Only One Lord, Thy Creator.
It's not appropriate to use the word "King" when refering to Jesus (AS) either because the very nature of Jesus (AS) was not domineering and we find the common nature of kings is to dominate.
Savior of Israel as in terms of guiding the people of israel.....now that's some thing which we find common in-between you and US. "Yes he was sent by God to guide the people of Israel"
Daniel_Oak said:Hi Deren, the answer to your opening question was given by Skillganon.
This answer shows that Allah merely forgives when one sincerely repents through prayer. If God is all powerful and merciful why cannot he merely forgive those who ask for forgiveness?
Bookofknowledge said:12:97
They said: "Father! Pray for the forgiveness for our sins. We have indeed done wrong."
12:98
He replied: "Soon I will ask my Rabb for your forgiveness; surely He is the One who is the Forgiving, the Merciful."
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2:199
Then return from where the others return and ask Allah's forgiveness; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
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27:46
Saleh said: "O my people! Why do you wish to hasten towards evil rather than good? Why do you not ask forgiveness of Allah so that you may be shown mercy?"
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48:11
The beduin Arabs who stayed behind will soon say to you: "Our goods and families kept us occupied, so please ask forgiveness for us." They say with their tongues what is not in their hearts. Tell them: "Who can intervene on your behalf with Allah if it be His will to do you harm or He pleases to do you good? Allah is well aware of your actions.
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9:80
O Prophet! It is the same, whether you ask forgiveness for them or not; even if you ask for their forgiveness seventy times, Allah is not going to forgive them: because they have disbelieved Allah and His Rasool. Allah does not guide those who are transgressors.
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13:6
They ask you to hasten on the evil (Allah's scourge) rather than the good, although there have been instances of exemplary punishments before them. In fact your Rabb is the Lord of Forgiveness to the people, notwithstanding their wrongdoing; and it is also the fact that your Rabb is stern in retribution.
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17:15
He that seeks guidance, shall be guided to his own advantage, but he that goes astray does so to his own loss. No bearer shall bear the burden of another on the Day of Judgement. And during your worldly life, We do not inflict punishment until We send forth a Rasool to make truth distinct from falsehood.
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