Movie

[Symes]

Perhaps, if you were not so focused on the fact that this movie was made by a Catholic, you could have seen it for what it was, minus all the anti-Catholic myths you read into it . .

Mel made this movie as a Catholic. He portrayed each scene as a Catholic would think it was. He has added much to what is said in the gospels.

 

[Flynmonkie]

I did not read through this entire thread.... but I did see enough about not seeing this movie because it is a Catholic whom made it and Catholic views represented or what not. You know, the other night the film "Jesus" was on CBS. Not one person has started a thread on that...Yep, the Jews were there, so were the Romans...so was Mary......Christ had brown hair.....He was beaten, badly....Oh yeah they raised him up with a board across his arms instead of the entire cross lifted up and set into the ground..I could go on and on???

I do not see any difference between any other man made (faulted) perceptive movie than this one. I have not seen this movie. For many reasons. Mostly because I do not have the time, nor desire to watch Christ go through this again. The other night I fell apart just watching the one on TV. I probably will eventually watch it, as that I am interested in understanding what people around me are talking about. But it will be awhile. I do however happen to like Mel, and it seems his heart is in the right place. No matter.

There are things about the Catholic faith that I do not agree with either. But the simple fact of the matter is that. It is a movie. Just like any other movie.

And if anything I am not too happy about the fact that it is pitting brother against brother. It is obviously not edifying in fellowship, and it saddens me to see this. I am also concerned about My Best friend that was smacked with phamplet after Phamplet.....yep the cults were there totally taking advantage of the publicity. My children were even presented with this trash.....I have had to explain over and over again....no matter how nice these people are....the watchtower is not something good. Blah Blah Blah...

I would much rather see a discussion about the points that are in disagreement or agreement in denomination. Than a dispute about a movie created by one man. When quite frankly there are many out there, for some reason this one keeps popping up as example. I have been hearing this argument since last year when the propaganda started circulating (the grass roots way)

God can work with anything...even if you belive that there is something wrong with the other persons faith or denomination. We have no idea how he is working his plans in our lives. What the main principal here is that we all Love Christ. We Love God. We believe in His Loving Grace, and we all want to walk in the Spirit. I have yet to meet any here that think otherwise. I just wish all would remember this more often. It seems satan has found his niche here too. Start reading posts with Love and discernment and make our answers just the same.

 

[cristabelle]

You know what it DOES DO?? It opens peoples' hearts to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit calling them to repentance, to the Holy Spirit convicting them of sin, to the Holy Spirit prompting them to call or go to a Church, to the Holy Spirit prompting them to read the bible . .

Only God can move a person's heart and move them to change!

And it most certainly DID convey that we are sinners and that it is WE who put Jesus on the Cross . . my goodness, the look in Mary's eyes and face at the end, while holding Jesus, begs you to consider what your sins have done to Jesus and what are you going to do about it?

Where exactly in the movie does it say that we are all sinners? The word sinners is not even mentioned! Where did it say in the movie that it was our sins that He was nailed to the cross? Or that salvation is only through Him alone and eternal damnation without? The closest it ever came was Jesus saying that He was the good sheperd in a flashback sequence.
And Mary holding the body of Jesus and staring into the camera is taking artisitic license. Nowhere in the bible does it say that Mary held His body after He was taken down from the cross, it doesn't even say that she was present when that happened. John 19:38-39 'Later, Joseph of Arimathea asked Pilate for the body of Jesus...With Pilate's permission, he came and took the body away. He was accompanied by Nicodemus'

The movie was about His PASSION, not about His resurrection . .that is why it is called The PASSION of The Christ . . .

By focussing on His passion, His suffering, and not the wondrous glory of what it accomplished, it humiliates our Lord! We see Him at His most defeated and shamed, a moment which was very brief in the scheme of things. In Galations 3:13 it says that 'cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree' It is exactly where satan wants Him, defeated in pain and shame on the cross and not the conquerer of death and our Lord!

The second commndment has nothing to do with this movie in any way shape or form . . this is a red herring that distracts from the truth . .

An actor is just that, an actor playing role . . an actor is not meant to be an exact replica of the one he/she is protraying. They try the best they can . .but we all know the person we are seeing on the screen is an actor , . not Christ Himself . . so, where's the beef?

Exodus 20:4 'You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.' Any idol made to represent God, who has no form is a misrepresentation of Him and thus sinful. Even though Jesus did come as a man, He still contained 'the fullness of the Deity [that] lives in bodily form' Colossians 2:9 Images of God dishonour Him because they obscure His glory. The two hour visual we get of Jesus being flagellated and crucified obscures His glory, His deity, His victory on the cross, and His present kingdom. It shows His human weakness, his physical suffering, but we don't see His joy or His power! We should not look at pictures/movies/statues and presume to see His glory and be moved to worship Him because there is no physical representation that can come close to showing us His glory. He is jealous of His glory and thus prohibits images of His likeness which jeopardises it. Look at Isaiah 40:18 'To whom, then, will you compare God? What image will you compare Him to?'

Christianity is based on words and not images, if it were then the bible would be a picture book. The Holy Spirit teaches those who believe in Him through words 1 Corinthians 2:13 and we remember His death by the Lord's Supper, baptism and preaching the gospel, not by watching a movie that depicts His last hours. 'Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ' Romans 10:17

The reasons you have set forth as justification for your comment that the movie is not "bible based" are absolutely flawed, biased and utterly baseless . .

Hope that all the bible references I've included show that my comments are not absolutely flawed, biased and utterly baseless.

 

[Andre]

We must keep oin mind that this movie is supposed to potray the last 12 hours of the life of Jesus so it will not be a complete Gospel message, you need to read the whole Bible is you want to get the big picture, also there's not a whole lot of information about this 12 hours in the Bible, it goes thru it pretty quickly, Mel not tonly look at the Bible for the making of this movie, he also looked at historical records that shows us how things were done in that time, and they follow the same lines of what's said in the Bible. It does not contradict the word of God.

I'd just like to make a point about Mary, she had special revelation from God when she got pregnant (Luke 1), and wasn't her the one who "provoked" Jesus to turn water into wine when they ran out of it in the wedding? I really don't see anything wrong with this movie.


John 2

1 On the third day there was a wedding in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there;
2 and both Jesus and His disciples were invited to the wedding.
3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, "They have no wine."
4 And Jesus said to her, "Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come."
5 His mother said to the servants, "Whatever He says to you, do it."
6 Now there were six stone waterpots set there for the Jewish custom of purification, containing twenty or thirty gallons each.
7 Jesus said to them, "Fill the waterpots with water." So they filled them up to the brim.
8 And He said to them, "Draw some out now and take it to the headwaiter." So they took it to him.
9 When the headwaiter tasted the water which had become wine, and did not know where it came from (but the servants who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom,

 

[thereselittleflower]

Mel made this movie as a Catholic. He portrayed each scene as a Catholic would think it was. He has added much to what is said in the gospels.

And what was added in no way contradicted or detracted from what as contained in the Gospel accounts . ..


And you make my point for me . . you have never seen the movie, yet you are quick to condemn and attack it SIMPLY BECAUSE a Catholic made it rather than go see it and make an honest evaluation of it yourself . .

Peace in Him!

 

[Symes]

I often go and have a look around for Christian Forums and came across this very interesting looking one.

It seems only new but looks like it is Christ centred.

http://www.abibleanswer.org/phpbb/index.php

 

[clinzey]

Mel made this movie as a Catholic. He portrayed each scene as a Catholic would think it was. He has added much to what is said in the gospels.

You seem to forget that Protestants and Catholics serve the same God and follow the same Lord. And anyway, there are many Protestants who believe things that cannot be found within the Bible.

 

[KennySe]

Only God can move a person's heart and move them to change!

The Holy Spirit IS God.

By focussing on His passion, His suffering, and not the wondrous glory of what it accomplished, it humiliates our Lord! We see Him at His most defeated and shamed, a moment which was very brief in the scheme of things.

Perhaps you were unaware of what the movie was going to show when it was titled "The Passion of The Christ"?

Perhaps even now you should read the many scriptiures that speak of the cross, of Christ crucified, of the Lamb as if slain...

The two hour visual we get of Jesus being flagellated and crucified obscures His glory, His deity, His victory on the cross, and His present kingdom. It shows His human weakness, his physical suffering, but we don't see His joy or His power!

Then you need to see the film again.

Where He explains that he lays His life down and he raises it up again.

Where he says to His mother, "I make all things new."

Where he says "It is accomplished.", which points to Luke 18:31-33.

Where we see Him rise from the dead.

Christianity is based on words and not images, if it were then the bible would be a picture book. The Holy Spirit teaches those who believe in Him through words

Icons are words, yet mortal men looking with mortal eys would call them paintings.

'Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ' Romans 10:17

Then we should not have Bibles, nor should we READ any words about God.

 

[cristabelle]

There is no point in trying to come to any sensible conclusion about this movie as there will never be any agreement in points of views, regardless of what the bible says about certain things.

 

[Slave2SinNoMore]

Where did it say in the movie that it was our sins that He was nailed to the cross? Or that salvation is only through Him alone and eternal damnation without?

Regarding your 1st question: In the garden, Satan was telling Jesus that no man could bear the burden of everyone's sin. He said that several times. That sounds pretty plain to me.

Regarding your second question: I may be mistaken on this, but I think one of the flashbacks showed Jesus saying "I am the way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but by me."

 

[Symes]

There is no point in trying to come to any sensible conclusion about this movie as there will never be any agreement in points of views, regardless of what the bible says about certain things.

We can and should only follow the Bible. There maybe some good come from the movie.

Much more good could have come from it if the Bible had of been followed instead of allowing his (Gibson's) own theology to come through.

 

[Andre]

We can and should only follow the Bible. There maybe some good come from the movie.

Much more good could have come from it if the Bible had of been followed instead of allowing his (Gibson's) own theology to come through.

The Bible has been followed in that movie, you haven't even watched it Symes, go watch it then you'll be able to give an accurate description of what it is.
Most of my friends are SDA's and they all loved the movie, I think you'll like it too.

 

[Symes]

The Bible has been followed in that movie, you haven't even watched it Symes, go watch it then you'll be able to give an accurate description of what it is.
Most of my friends are SDA's and they all loved the movie, I think you'll like it too.

I have read some reports from a very reliable source and they say different. I will not be seeing. I have better things to do than look at a false way the gospel being presented.

 

[EdmundBlackadderTheThird]

There is nothing in the movie that conradicts the Bible, there are parts filled in that are not in the Bible but there is nothing wrong with that. There are lots of things we know happened that are listed in the Bible. We can assume that Jesus bathed, we can assume that he used the facilities, we can assume that he and the disciples ate pretty much every day. If you made a movie about his life you would necessarily have to fill in the the blanks. I think what everyone is saying Symes is that you have not seen it so you speak with no authority on the subject so you should stop running it down until you are able to form your own opinion and stop relying on the words of a man.

 

[thereselittleflower]

I have read some reports from a very reliable source and they say different. I will not be seeing. I have better things to do than look at a false way the gospel being presented.

I would say your sources are not reliable . . . it is really too bad Symes, that you allow others to influence you in this manner . . you are missing out on something very special . .


Peace in Him!

 

[Symes]

I would say your sources are not reliable . . . it is really too bad Symes, that you allow others to influence you in this manner . . you are missing out on something very special . .

My sources are reliable. I have an open mind to things and view them as I see them, comparing what is said to what is in Scripture.

There is a difference to what is in the movie and what is in the Bible.

 

[clinzey]

My sources are reliable. I have an open mind to things and view them as I see them, comparing what is said to what is in Scripture.

There is a difference to what is in the movie and what is in the Bible.

But there is a difference between altering the Biblical account and using artistic lisence to fill in gaps in the Biblical account.

 

[Andre]

But there is a difference between altering the Biblical account and using artistic lisence to fill in gaps in the Biblical account.

I agree, the stuff in the movie that's in the Bible is represented accurately, whatever is not in the Bible was created in a way that does not contradict the Bible, we should not receive that as scripture and truth because it's not in the Bible, but does not contradict Scriptures.

The whole point of this movie is to give us a glimpse of how much Jesus suffered for our sins, and it does a great job, it's not a movie about the story of Jesus or a doctrinal movie.

 

[Christy4Christ]

I'm on my way to go see the movie again for Good Friday. This is after all the anniversary of the day Jesus gave His life for us. What better way to spend it then meditating on the images in this movie.


I love Jesus


Thank you Jesus for giving us the gift of life eternal!

 

[BabelFish]

I watched The Passion of Christ yesterday, and I must say I was not impressed by it at all.

I mean first of all who decided to make the disciples into some kind of ninjas (talking about the first scenes of the movie). I also have a hard time remembering Jesus healing any of the guards ears or the crow at the crucifixion.

These were only a few things I di not like about the movie, but my general feeling about the movie was just that they should just never have desecrated the Bible in that sad way.