1Th 5:4-5
But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day
should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light,
and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
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I guess it bothers you that I have much the same position as you. That would not indicate getting involved in a battle.All I asked was if you are dispensationalist or not ? I would like a yes or no. If you are, then you can respond to some of other posters (not me) who have a big battle going on in this forum with dispenationalism. I don't want to get involved that battle, nor dragged into it.
I am a futurist, but not a dispensationalist. So I should not have to defend it. But by the same token, I have not taken up any war on dispensationalists.
I was never a part of that upbringing nor ever subscribed to the approach. It is not part of my thinking.
In Revelation, in one place. In Revelation 13:1, beast has the dual representation of being a kingdom, and a king..
It is a preposterous claim that the beast is the 100's of millions of people of the world who will worship the beast (themselves?), and be there on the temple mount - to be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's return..
Oh my! One more in a long line of those who thinks they know, when in fact, they don't.I said:
The Abomination of Desolation "standing" (ruling) in the
"Holy Place" (Body of Believers of the Fourth Kingdom) is
the same as the "Man of Sin" who is "sitting" (ruling) in the
"Temple" (Body of Believers of the Fourth Kingdom) so the
answer of WHERE this occurs is in the "Body of Believers"
during the Fourth "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]
Tell me Douggg...
What makes you think the "ten virgins" went forth into
the world?
What makes you think the CONTEXT of the "ten virgins"
is more than the church?
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How strange when the Day of His wrath begins in chapter 6, before any part of the 70th week (chapters 8-16). I will go with John here.The very end of the tribulation period is God's wrath poured out on the earth.
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Usually true; but in this case, he was the God of this world that God wanted to send out His church into. God always does things legally. It was Satan's world.Sorry but I was responding to another poster.
And, as an aside... I doubt that Satan has a hand in anything that God is doing or even knows what God is going to do next...
The 7th Trumpet is not just a sound. It is a days long event. It is an angel who starts blowing the Trumpet in Celebration of the whole week of the Second Coming. All 8 days from Sunday morning to Sunday evening.Unfortunately, there are some who get confused about the 7th trumpet, and think this is before the 42 month reign of the beast, rather than after it, the fact Revelation 13 is after chapter 11 rather than before it, maybe being one reason why, among others.
Oh my! One more in a long line of those who thinks they know, when in fact, they don't.
The Day of the Lord is the whole 1000 year period. The week of the Second Coming is the week leading up to the Day of the Lord. There are 3.5 years before the Second Coming when the Seals, Trumpets and Thunders gather the whole world in a harvest. It is Jacob trouble, birth pains. All humanity will be harvested. Rapture, death, separation of the sheep from the goats. Then the fire of the tares, and the wheat harvest. Jesus had 3.5 years and then was "cut off". The Trumpets and Thunderings are the last years of Jesus' earthly ministry. It is preparation of the actual Day of the Lord. The last 1000 years in this created reality.... actually happens in Revelation.
If you go to 1Thessalonians5, it is when the saying "Peace and Safety" is stopped. And the Day of the Lord begins, like a thief in the night. Which the implication is the beginning of the Day of the Lord is when God's wrath begins because of what it says in 1Thessalonians5:
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.
11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
Oh my! One more in a long line of those who thinks they know, when in fact, they don't.
The Day of the Lord is the whole 1000 year period. The week of the Second Coming is the week leading up to the Day of the Lord. There are 3.5 years before the Second Coming when the Seals, Trumpets and Thunders gather the whole world in a harvest. It is Jacob trouble, birth pains. All humanity will be harvested. Rapture, death, separation of the sheep from the goats. Then the fire of the tares, and the wheat harvest. Jesus had 3.5 years and then was "cut off". The Trumpets and Thunderings are the last years of Jesus' earthly ministry. It is preparation of the actual Day of the Lord. The last 1000 years in this created reality.
How strange when the Day of His wrath begins in chapter 6, before any part of the 70th week (chapters 8-16). I will go with John here.
As no one has yet showed me that anyone other than the 2 Witnesses go to heaven;
The False Prophet is not himself a King. He is a "false" prophet who will claim to be Elijah, the prophet..
I agree, this is Satan's world.. But... Satan has no idea of certain things... like that Crucifying Christ saved the world.. or Satan would not have put Judas up to the betrayal...Usually true; but in this case, he was the God of this world that God wanted to send out His church into. God always does things legally. It was Satan's world.
How strange when the Day of His wrath begins in chapter 6, before any part of the 70th week (chapters 8-16). I will go with John here.
It is not that they have "no" purpose. I only state that their MAIN purpose is the prevent the book from being opened to get Satan kicked off his throne UNLESS or until someone can be found worthy to take the book and open the seals.
Do you not see that the devil is involved in some of the seals that is sealing that book? I am convinced that the "book" is the lease document to earth. Satan usurped Adam's lease and took Adam's great authority and dominion. So God was on the outside looking in, so to speak. Satan because the "god" of this world, and has held that position since Adam. Therefore I think Satan certainly had something to do with the seals.
I see Satan's hand in getting this book sealed so that only someone who could rise from the dead to become the redeemer would be worthy. I am convinced That Satan was SURE no man would ever be able to escape from hell!
God wanted to send out the church (seal 1). Satan OF COURSE would not want that. I can guess He said, "if you send out the church, I get the right to STOP the church (or the advance of the gospel) and cause martyrs. GOd then might have said, "You can use wars, famines, pestilences, and wild beasts, but you are limited to only 1/4 of the earth."
God's goal will be to get the book opened:
5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book...
3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book
4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book,
The seals, it seems, were there so that NO ONE - not even God himself - could open the seals: ONLY someone who could prevail over death under or by His own power. Did you notice, once a seal is opened, it is never mentioned again?
OF COURSE God wanted to send out the church to make disciples of all nations. But God did not want wars. It is Satan who starts wars. God is not a murderer. It is Satan to does pestilences. It goes without saying, God does not want martyrs. But Satan is the god of this world.
Who's wrath is poured out with the seven seals, seven trumpets and the seven bowls?
The 7th Trumpet is not just a sound. It is a days long event.
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