They're numbers according to deGrasse Tyson.
But when someone points out that those numbers don't mean what you think they mean, you can't go ahead and say the whole premise is nonsense, because you were using those numbers in the first place to make your argument.
It's called the ionosphere. We bounce radio waves off it all the time.
You think the ionosphere is a solid dome?
Many of Dubay's arguments were based on those earlier arguments. Indeed, the title of his book 200 Proofs is an allusion/ homage to 100 Proofs by Carpenter, 1885.
https://www.amazon.com/100-Proofs-That-Earth-Globe/dp/1523463317
Based on =/= identical. Modern flat earthers all get their cues from Dubay, as you have shown yourself to be familiar with him too. The fact that Dubay rejects Christ should be a major red flag for all of the Christian flat earthers who think that flat earth is somehow an inherently Christian idea.
It's easy to trust God when the world's teachings are aligned. But when it's scandalous, that's the true test. Where are you going to place your measure of faith? Annihilationism already rejects the express will and power of God to save all creation, so...
So what do you believe, some type of purgatory?
Because that's what the Bible says.
The Bible only says the earth is flat if you take certain passages super literally, and ignore others.
Plus personal revelation. I was an atheist all my life, then started investigating the 'truth movement' stuff (what you might call conspiracy theory), and after I discovered geocentrism (round motionless central earth) and spent a few years researching it, the main obstacle to the Bible was removed for me. Within a month of looking into Christianity God came down and showed me amazing grace. So I feel that He led me to Him through this pursuit of truth and in doing so justified that endeavour. I accepted the flat earth later, partly because of the science, but mainly because it's undeniably Biblical. If I'm wrong, I'll answer to God.
I've experienced God's presence as well, and He never told me anything about the earth being flat.
And btw, you shouldn't worry about Christians looking bad to the world, that horse has bolted lol.
Not really. I know people who have converted because of good examples set by Christians, and those who have deconverted because of bad examples.
I love it when God schools Job. And that's the point - He is omniscient.
But has to convey certain things in a way the people He was speaking to can understand. Hence the use of allegory, parables, and metaphor.
Actually it's more of a wineskin:
Strong's Hebrew: 5035. נֵ֫בֶל (nebel) -- bottle
Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved. (Mt 9:17)
Of course, and some verses are both literal and figurative at once. Gen 1 and 2 may be a case in point. But I don't think the HS adopts imperfect or misleading analogies.
So I take it you accept that the bottles in that verse are metaphorical?
Okay, up to you. Works best when you put all your predilections aside (as far as possible), and just look at it all afresh imho.
I did that, in fact. When I first starting hearing flat earth arguments on this website, I dismissed it instantly as being ridiculous. However, the flat earthers were incredibly persistent, so I actually started to think 'maybe there might be something to this'. So I investigated for myself. I even went to the beach and performed the experiment of looking at a ship disappear over the horizon with binoculars. It dipped over the horizon exactly the way the globe earth model says it would.
All I got from the flat earthers was long youtube videos, blurry unattributed photographs, and deflections galore. There were several 100+ page threads that started with lists of phenomenon that are directly observable but impossible on a flat earth. Throughout all of those pages, not one flat earther actually addressed any of them, just deflection.
I've actually studied physics and mathematics. I've performed astronomy, and I've seen constellations appear differently in different parts of the world. I have a friend who visited Antarctica (and brought back photographs, complete with penguins!) with no sign of an impenetrable 'ice wall'. All flat earthers have is the most implausible conspiracy ever posited.
Citation please. There are many claimed 'circumnavigations' which, on closer inspection, are either clearly not so, or are unverified and suspect (eg the Ranulph Fiennes expeditions). It's also curious don't you think that there's been no polar circumnavigations by air, but many many equatorial ones?
Saildrone is first to circumnavigate Antarctica, in search for carbon dioxide | National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
Sailing Antarctica: Record-breaking voyage around the southern continent
Why I'm spending three months sailing right around Antarctica for science
Amyr Klink - Wikipedia
Polar Circumnavigation (includes multiple aerial expeditions)
Of course you are going to say that all of the people involved in any of this in any way are all part of the conspiracy. You should know in advance that I can't take that kind of argument seriously.
