[MOVED] There's a game you don't know how to play - win it, using Evolution?

[Gottservant]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

No.

Evolution is exclusive to connect-the-dots.

 

[[serious]]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

Sure, would you attempt to o learn it by reading the bible?

I think my system would teach me bridge quicker

 

[The Cadet]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

Well, in some cases, we can do exactly this.

http://boxcar2d.com/

The car is given a semi-random track, and gradually "evolves" to get further and further with better and better times.

Of course, for any genetic algorithm, we need selection criteria. We need a way of semi-randomly mixing "genetics", and a way of selecting for "organisms" that do better. So it kind of depends on what you mean by "we don't know how to play" - is it like stepping up to a Street Fighter 4 console where we don't know how to do any of the moves, but the general principle of "beat opponent by pressing buttons" is clear? Or is it more like being presented with Chinese Checkers and having no idea how the heck Chinese Checkers is played? If the latter, it's impossible to design a genetic algorithm.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

Only if the game was to build an airplane using scrap parts at the scrap yard. We could use all the old parts and come up with a bigger, better, faster, more fancy plane.

 

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[SkyWriting]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

I would use human selection rather than natural selection. It works faster.

 

[The Cadet]

I would use human selection rather than natural selection. It works faster.

Human selection is a subset of natural selection.

 

[Shemjaza]

I would use human selection rather than natural selection. It works faster.

Way faster... but if you can leave a computer using natural selection to make an algorithm to win the game, it might get a better answer then you would have had the patience to come up with on your own.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Way faster... but if you can leave a computer using natural selection to make an algorithm to win the game, it might get a better answer then you would have had the patience to come up with on your own.

Until they create a algorithm to disable or defeat your algorithm.

 

[[serious]]

Until they create a algorithm to disable or defeat your algorithm.

At which point that algorithm would selected for in what could be called the evolution of evolutionary code.

 

[Shemjaza]

Until they create a algorithm to disable or defeat your algorithm.

Then you run the systems that built both against each other till it reaches equilibrium, and you've got a local maxima at least.

 

[SkyWriting]

Way faster... but if you can leave a computer using natural selection to make an algorithm to win the game, it might get a better answer then you would have had the patience to come up with on your own.

But not the dog I was looking for. The goal of "survival" is the opposite of what man is seeking.
Evolution is only a coping mechanism that repairs holes brought on by decay in the environment.
It's more like an immune system. It doesn't create anything new or better. It just helps patch holes.

 

[SkyWriting]

Sure, would you attempt to o learn it by reading the bible?

I think my system would teach me bridge quicker

I'm not sure which you refer to , but evolution won't help you with Bridge.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Then you run the systems that built both against each other till it reaches equilibrium, and you've got a local maxima at least.

It would be a competition between the programmers and most likely one of them would be better then the other. That is something I would like to see. As it is all a programmer has to do is create a program that does not crash and very few of them seem to even be able to do that.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Sure, would you attempt to o learn it by reading the bible?

If you want to read the Bible then you will need the Holy Spirit of God to help you understand what your reading. There are lots and lots of demonstrations on this board of the futility of the natural man trying to understand what is spiritual. Only those that are born again can understand the things of God.

 

[Kylie]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

As we've told you many times, evolution affects populations, not individuals. So imagine a population of people playing this game, and none of them know how to win.

Some of them might roll a dice. Some might deal a card. Some might spin a wheel. Sooner or later, someone is going to do something that is going to give them a slight benefit at playing the game, get them a little bit closer to winning than other people.

So we take these people, and use what they did as a starting point, and get everyone to do some variation on what they did. And again, we'll find that some people perform better than everyone else, and we'll also find that the people who did the best this time did better than the people who did the best the first time.

Keep doing this many times, and eventually you'll get someone who wins.

 

[Jan Volkes]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Not unless the game involved life, if it didn't then I would use the Bible because I could then make up my own rules.

 

[AV1611VET]

Not unless the game involved life, if it didn't then I would use the Bible because I could then make up my own rules.

Sooner or later you'll make up a rule that the Bible disagrees with.

Then you're busted.

 

[whois]

Hi there,

So if there was a game you didn't know how to play - would you try to win, it using Evolution?

Thanks.

of course i wouldn't.
the unknown game could easily follow rules totally incompatible with evolution.