Mother's Regret Transitioning Children

[Gene2memE]

There's a small sub-set of transgender individuals who express some regret about transitioning. Some get over it, some find it's a long term thing.

Here's the rub though - regret is a natural response in some people. If enough people do a thing, there's always going to be a proportion who have some regret.

Studies show though that it's a very small proportion of transitioning individuals who report significant and long term regret about their decision. Based on the available studies and meta analysis of those studies, between 1% and 4% of people who have undergone some form of transitioning (whether hormones, puberty blockers or surgical treatment) report some form of regret about having done so.

To put that into context, rates of short term post partum depression in women range between about 6% and 20%. Rates of long term post partum depression are between 4% and 5%.

 

[Servus]

There's a small sub-set of transgender individuals who express some regret about transitioning. Some get over it, some find it's a long term thing.

Here's the rub though - regret is a natural response in some people. If enough people do a thing, there's always going to be a proportion who have some regret.

Studies show though that it's a very small proportion of transitioning individuals who report significant and long term regret about their decision. Based on the available studies and meta analysis of those studies, between 1% and 4% of people who have undergone some form of transitioning (whether hormones, puberty blockers or surgical treatment) report some form of regret about having done so.

To put that into context, rates of short term post partum depression in women range between about 6% and 20%. Rates of long term post partum depression are between 4% and 5%.

How old are those available studies and meta analysis of those studies? Transitioning seems to be going through the roof these days.

 

[Pommer]

I followed some link from theblaze and watched some of the (hour long) video.

She sort of sounded like someone who wanted to be perceived as “lefty” while not actually being lefty at all.
But I’m sure that there are conservative lesbians. heck, the pickup trucks should give us a clue!

 

[dzheremi]

I'm not defending all aspects of Money's research, or his ethics, but the experience of David Reimer is evidence that gender identity is not malleable, that people cannot simply be forced to conform to a gender and expecting a corresponding change in their gender identity.

This is the story I thought of when reading the OP. Such a tragic case.

 

[Bradskii]

How old are those available studies and meta analysis of those studies? Transitioning seems to be going through the roof these days.

Less than a year old: Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence

You'll also find that the people who identify as gay has increased greatly over the years. I'll let you work out why.

 

[Gene2memE]

How old are those available studies and meta analysis of those studies? Transitioning seems to be going through the roof these days.

Quite recent:

Regret after Gender-affirmation Surgery: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis of Prevalence

There is an unknown percentage of transgender and gender non-confirming individuals who undergo gender-affirmation surgeries (GAS) that experiences regret. Regret could lead to physical and mental morbidity and questions the appropriateness of these procedures ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

March 2021, covering 27 studies with 7928 transgender patients. There were 2 studies from the 1980s, 5 from the 1990s, 9 from the 2000s and 11 from the 2010s. Regret rates of 1-3%.

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/PDF-Trans-well-being.pdf

Published in mid 2018. Analysis of 55 English langauage articles published between 1991 and June 2017 (significant overlap with the previous meta analysis). Demonstrated regret rates ranging from 0.3% to 3.8%. Regrets are "most likely to result from a lack of social support after transition or poor surgical outcomes using older techniques".

Continuation of gender-affirming hormones in transgender people starting puberty suppression in adolescence: a cohort study in the Netherlands

Most participants who started gender-affirming hormones in adolescence continued this treatment into adulthood. The continuation of treatment is reassuring considering the worries that people who started treatment in adolescence might discontinue gender-affirming treatment.

www.thelancet.com

October 2022, Amsterdam Cohort long term study of trans patients who took puberty blockers before turning 18. Of the 720 trans youth identified in the study as taking puberty blockers as minors, 704 still had active prescriptions for hormone replacement therapy. Of the who didn't, the majority didn't need to as they had undergone surgical procedures.

 

[Larniavc]

A lesbian couple raised two boys following the gender neutral ideology with letting the boys decide if they were boys or girls.

Yeah, that's stupid.

 

[rjs330]

I bet the kids are carrying baggage from the experience though. Also I'm not in favor of same sex couples raising kids. I think it's healthiest for kids to have a biological male father and a biological female mother. That's how God designed it to be.

Another bad family set up is the trans male who gives birth. So the kid ends up with this unnatural combination of having a masculine father, who's also his mother. And I suppose the female looking mother on the right is really a man. There's nothing natural or normal or healthy about this.

I don't think it can be denied, although many will anyway, that the best for kids is an intact two parent family with a mother and father both involved in raising the kids. Heterosexuals can be bad parents as well. All parents of all kinds can teach their kids that sin is acceptable. Alcoholics can teach thier kids to accept alcoholism, abusive parents teach their kids to be abusive, adulterous parents can teach thier kids to be unfaithful themselves in relationships. Homosexual parent's teach their kids to be accept the sin of homosexuality. Parents have tremendous influence upon the children. As we see in this case it certainly can be detrimental and would have been far more serious had she continued.

 

[rjs330]

You can't overly generalize about a community based on social media. Social media is a dumpster fire in many ways right now, and doesn't represent reality.

But it's a reality that many live. Social media is the reality of the day. I'm not saying it's right it just is.

 

[rjs330]

How old are those available studies and meta analysis of those studies? Transitioning seems to be going through the roof these days.

Whatever they tell you don't trust it. Those studies that try to tell you that regret is so tiny are not trustworthy studies. The methodology is wildly inaccurate and flawed deeply. There is a growing number of places where those that regret it are telling their stories. And more is coming out all the time. There are studies that show upwards of 20% are regretting it.

Sex Change Regret | For those who want to return back

There are more places than that. Whatever the transactivists tell you, don't believe it.

When it comes to kids anywhere from 65-80% desist. That should tell you something as well.

 

[SilverBear]

Whatever they tell you don't trust it. Those studies that try to tell you that regret is so tiny are not trustworthy studies. The methodology is wildly inaccurate and flawed deeply.

where is the evidence of this. You say this just about every time there is a study with results you don't like.

There is a growing number of places where those that regret it are telling their stories. And more is coming out all the time. There are studies that show upwards of 20% are regretting it.

Sex Change Regret | For those who want to return back

There are more places than that. Whatever the transactivists tell you, don't believe it.

The news report doesn't say that upwards of 20% are regretting it.

the research they quote but don't actually cite doesn't say that either.

You will notice that the name and author of the study presented by the news report is never named. BTW it is
Individuals Treated for Gender Dysphoria with Medical and/or Surgical Transition Who Subsequently Detransitioned: A Survey of 100 Detransitioners Lisa Littman 2021 they do report that the study said that the majority (55.0%) felt that they did not receive an adequate evaluation from a doctor or mental health professional before starting transition. However the author takes pains to point out that the medical records of these individuals show they received an average of 1 months of psychiatric evaluation prior to beginning transition, two months longer than the average transitioned transgener individual

When it comes to kids anywhere from 65-80% desist. That should tell you something as well.

What this tells me is you are making claims and not backing them up

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Lesbian couple adopts

Unfit parents do all kinds of crazy things to their kids. And the current trans craze isn't founded in reason or logic, it's founded on the desire to bring forth as many trans people as possible as young as possible.

Trans craze is the Conservative rights imagination. As for the woman in the story, her boys are healthy 8and 9 years old. I don't see how they were starting to transitioning into females. When the doctor would have to do mental evaluations.

 

[rjs330]

How old are those available studies and meta analysis of those studies? Transitioning seems to be going through the roof these days.

Here is some other information for you outlining the flaws of these so called regret studies.

The Transgender Misinformation Machine - Ethics & Public Policy Center

The purpose of the transgender misinformation machine is not so much to persuade, but to provide justification for coercion.

eppc.org

The Studies Cited To Support Gender-Bending Kids Are Junk Science

The New York Times and other publications are pushing shoddy research and falsely claiming the science on gender surgery is settled.

thefederalist.com

Gender-Dysphoric Adolescents and Gender Transition Regret: What We Don't Know

The regret studies are conducted by transactivusts and are biased and unscientific. Which actually is true about much of the transgender movement.

80% of kids desist which should tell you something. Kids should be left alone and once they are an adult they are responsible for themselves and their own issues. If they want to undergo chemical and surgical transitions then so be it. They can deal with whatever consequences they may endure after that cause that's what adults do.

 

[Servus]

Trans craze is the Conservative rights imagination. As for the woman in the story, her boys are healthy 8and 9 years old. I don't see how they were starting to transitioning into females. When the doctor would have to do mental evaluations.

It's not anyone's imagination that trans is being talked about as much as Covid lately. You should have stopped at 8 and 9 year olds and realized there's something very wrong about that.

 

[Servus]

Here is some other information for you outlining the flaws of these so called regret studies.

The Transgender Misinformation Machine - Ethics & Public Policy Center

The purpose of the transgender misinformation machine is not so much to persuade, but to provide justification for coercion.

eppc.org

The Studies Cited To Support Gender-Bending Kids Are Junk Science

The New York Times and other publications are pushing shoddy research and falsely claiming the science on gender surgery is settled.

thefederalist.com

Gender-Dysphoric Adolescents and Gender Transition Regret: What We Don't Know

The regret studies are conducted by transactivusts and are biased and unscientific. Which actually is true about much of the transgender movement.

80% of kids desist which should tell you something. Kids should be left alone and once they are an adult they are responsible for themselves and their own issues. If they want to undergo chemical and surgical transitions then so be it. They can deal with whatever consequences they may endure after that cause that's what adults do.

I think the data is going to change a lot, if the trans craze keeps skyrocketing the way it has. Especially when it comes to kids being subjected to it by their parents.

 

[FireDragon76]

But it's a reality that many live. Social media is the reality of the day. I'm not saying it's right it just is.

All too often it's the equivalent of gossip. Which is sinful. Humans have the duty to speak at all times in loving ways.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Those studies that try to tell you that regret is so tiny are not trustworthy studies. The methodology is wildly inaccurate and flawed deeply. There is a growing number of places where those that regret it are telling their stories.

'Don't trust these studies. Here, look at these anecdotes instead!'

 

[Bradskii]

'Don't trust these studies. Here, look at these anecdotes instead!'

Exactly right. From just one of the meta analysis taken from 27 medical studies comprising just short of 8,000 people (the one to which I linked), the regret was 1%.

Versus 'this woman on YouTube...'

 

[Gene2memE]

It's not anyone's imagination that trans is being talked about as much as Covid lately.

It's more to do with the pandemic slowly fading into the background as cases and deaths continue to decline.

Transgenderism as a topic still lags behind interest in COVID-19. Using Google search terms as a proxy:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=trans,covid

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=transgender,covid-19

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=%2Fm%2F07qkc,%2Fg%2F11j2cc_qll

Search volumes are up a little for transgenderism/transexualism over the past five years, but not hugely so:

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=%2Fg%2F11bc61dwgt,%2Fm%2F07qkc

I suspect, although I can't be sure, that transgenderism/transexualism has become an important topic in the media you frequent and the people you interact with. Consume information critically, be aware of the writer/speaker and their intended audience and ask yourself why that might be.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Are stories like these amplified by conservative outlets (even though sometimes they're true....sometimes they're sometimes fabricated)? Sure...that's not surprising.

However, that wouldn't necessarily negate concerns or mean it's time to throw caution and reason to the wind for the sake of "smiting one's political enemies"

I think people on both sides have fallen into that trap.

Some on the left seemingly act as if "The more Tucker Carlson hates something, the more it must be worth defending"

Likewise, some on the right act as if "If someone says it on MSNBC, it's our noble duty to oppose it"


People are going to have to come to the reality that some issues aren't an "all or nothing", and that in some instances, the other party can be right about something.



It would seem as if people rushed to the conclusion that this story must be exaggerated, embellished, or outright fabricated (maybe it was, maybe it wasn't) because it doesn't fit a certain narrative.

Is it that unfathomable that if we let a lot of young people make the choice to transition, that a certain percentage are going to regret it a few years down the road? To me, that's not unbelievable at all, it entirely fits in with what we know about adolescents and teens.


If I were to say "there are a lot of 20-somethings who now regret getting that tattoo when they were 18", it would be considered non-controversial and most people would accept it at face value because it's consistent with what we know about 18 year olds. Yet, replace "tattoo" with "undergoing a gender transition", and many of those same folks would immediately start hurling the "transphobia" accusations.

Does anyone honestly believe that "12-17 year olds can be fickle and fad-driven about everything from clothing style, to piercings, to preferred music, etc... but gender identity? no, they're 100% sure about that and know exactly what they want for the rest of their life"?

I forget who said it, but there was the quote "if everyone was 100% sure of what they wanted to be when they were kids, the world would be full of astronauts, fireman, and princesses."