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Moses in Garden

Discussion in 'Exposition & Bible Study' started by Broken Fence, Jun 26, 2020.

  1. Broken Fence

    Broken Fence Stand with Jesus. He is with you in the whirlwind. Supporter

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    This is very interesting to me. Most teach and believe Jesus before ressurection took Abraham's bosom with Him when He took keys of hell and death. If this is so how was Moses transfigured with Elijah in garden before crucifixion?

    Also Peter says gospel was preached to the dead. Which most are taught was Jesus in Abraham's bosom. I am still trying to understand this. Because if this is so, how do you explain Moses with Elijah in garden before ressurection?

    Food for thought. God bless.
     
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    Some extra-biblical books said that Moses was resurrected.

    There is one allusion to such story in the book of Jude:

    "But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses..."
    Jude 1:9
     
  3. Broken Fence

    Broken Fence Stand with Jesus. He is with you in the whirlwind. Supporter

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    That is a very good point. Thank you for response.
     
  4. Ilikecats

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    The verses in 1 Peter don’t specifically say that the gospel was preached to dead people they say that Jesus made a proclamation-not necessarily the gospel (1 Peter 3:19) and that the gospel was preached to people that are now dead (1 Peter 4:6) as in they heard the gospel when they were alive and now they have died.

    I don’t think there’s a conflict with Moses and Elijah in the garden. The elect included people before Jesus died and I don’t think that it is that difficult for God to bring people from any place in His creation. I do think that people before Christ had faith in Christ and were saved because of that and were in Abraham’s bosom. It’s appointed once for man to die and then the judgement.
     
  5. rwb

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    Greetings Broken Fence, the verse tells us Jesus was the one transfigured not Moses and Elijah. I believe Peter, James and John are given a vision of heaven, with Christ being changed in appearance to that as the Holy One seen in heaven.

    Mr 9:2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.
    Mr 9:3 And his raiment became shining, exceeding white as snow; so as no fuller on earth can white them.
    Mr 9:4 And there appeared unto them Elias with Moses: and they were talking with Jesus.

    Mt 28:2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
    Mt 28:3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
    Mt 28:4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.

    Daniel 7:9 (KJV) I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

    Neither Moses nor Elijah could have been in heaven before Christ was resurrected from the dead. For this reason it can be determined that they are an apparition or vision, but they are not physically present.

    After His resurrection it is rightly understood that Christ went to the place of the dead reserved for saints of Old, called Abraham's bosom. The grave/pit is the domain of Satan. Having spoiled the power that Satan had to hold people in bondage to fear and death before the cross, Christ bound Satan, holding him in the grave (pit/place of the dead) until the Kingdom of Heaven is complete through the Gospel going unto all the earth in the power of the Spirit.

    Lu 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
    Lu 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

    Revelation 9:11 (KJV) And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, [destroying angel] but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon. [a destroyer (i.e. Satan)]

    Heb 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
    Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

    Mt 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
    Mt 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.

    Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
    Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
    Eph 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

    Since both Moses and Elijah died in faith, they too would have been waiting for Christ to literally come and rescue them from the grave, as He promised He would. Now since Christ's resurrection and ascension to heaven, Moses, Elijah and every believer having physically died in faith are residents together in the Kingdom of Heaven, and are celestial or as are the angels in heaven, and in the likeness spiritually of Christ.

    Hope this will be helpful for you.
     
  6. rwb

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    Peter says that Christ, through His Spirit went and preached to spirits in prison, who lived in the days of Noah. It was through Noah, a preacher of righteousness, who preached through the Spirit the things of God. They are said to be in prison, while alive, because we are all in bondage to death and sin when we are not believers. To be in bondage is the same as being in prison, for bondage means to be enslaved to Satan, sin and death. Since Scripture says it is appointed unto men to die once, and after this the judgment (Heb 9:27), what purpose would it serve to preach the message of life to those who have already died in unbelief? It is in life one must hear the message to be saved. But only eight souls were saved, Noah and his family.

    1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
    1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
    1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
     
  7. Broken Fence

    Broken Fence Stand with Jesus. He is with you in the whirlwind. Supporter

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    @rwb

    I totally agree thank you for pointing that out.
     
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