Moses and 'The Green Man'

[razeontherock]

Paul never took knowledge from the disciples. He shunned them.

This is wrong. Horribly, horribly wrong. You pervert the Gospel!

If you wish to expound on what the Koran says, you may be able to do that here, or you may not. To pretend it is what the Bible says?

That is not what this venue is for.

 

[Montalban]

Paul never took knowledge from the disciples. He shunned them. Paul is against God's Law as revealed by Moses (peace be upon him) and clarified by subsequent prophets including the Messiah.

I see two distinct groups here. In Jerusalem were the disciples of Jesus. Those who spent years with Jesus (peace be upon him). Their leader who inherited the leadership from jesus (peace be upon him) being James the Just (brother of Jesus). The disciples were the elders of a very large sect and were called the Nazzarites. The were zealous for the Law of God (Jewish Sharia derived from Torah, and clarified by subsequent prophets and the Messiah).

First century historians record The Nazzarites never accepted Roman Law and were a constant thorn in the side of the brutal Roman military occupation. The nazzarites led the revolt against Rome in the sixties when James the Just was assasinated. They drove the Rromans out of Judea but eventually lost in Jerusalem 70ce & finally at Masada 73ce due to betrayal within.

Are they not the true christians?

Don't you think it would help if you studied this before commenting on it?

Acts 15 shows Paul interacting with the disciples. He speaks, following Peter and agrees with him.

 

[Hakan101]

Yeah I don't know where you're getting the idea of Paul shunning the disciples. Maybe you mean the Apostles, but he doesn't shun them either.

 

[Montalban]

Yeah I don't know where you're getting the idea of Paul shunning the disciples. Maybe you mean the Apostles, but he doesn't shun them either.

It comes from learning about Christianity through Islamic sources, and approaching this with those objections already in mind.

It is evident from the straw-man argument given here - of a particular interpretation of scripture and what Christians MUST believe about it.

I encourage our Moslem friend here to actually look at this from how Christians understand it.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Actually the idea of conflict between Paulian Christians and some of the more Judaisticaly inclined Christians who accepted James and as their main authority figure (and rejected Paul) isn't just a Muslim thing. The more internationalist Paul Christians vs the Judeo-Christian Ebionites. If it included the actual apostles or just their followers is more difficult to prove though. Much of what passes as history regarding the Apostles was more mythology than history . Everyone created their own Paul and their own James. I was just reading a good book on that by Bart Ehrman who isn't a Muslim :

http://www.amazon.com/Lost-Christianities-Battles-Scripture-Faiths/dp/0195141830

 

[Montalban]

Actually the idea of conflict between Paulian Christians and some of the more Judaisticaly inclined Christians who accepted James and as their main authority figure (and rejected Paul) isn't just a Muslim thing. The more internationalist Paul Christians vs the Judeo-Christian Ebionites. If it included the actual apostles or just their followers is more difficult to prove though. Much of what passes as history regarding the Apostles was more mythology than history . Everyone created their own Paul and their own James. I was just reading a good book on that by Bart Ehrman who isn't a Muslim :

Amazon.com: The Lost Christianities: The Battles for Scripture and the Faiths We Never Knew (9780195141832): Bart D. Ehrman: Books

One criticism of his work is that he cites himself from other of his works!
""It is not sufficient to reply that Bart is writing for a popular audience and thus we would not expect much scholarly discussion even in the footnotes. Even in a work of this sort, we would expect some good up to date bibliography for those disposed to do further study, not merely copious cross-references to one’s other popular level books."
Bart D. Ehrman - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia