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Did the hospital and orphanage end up in the red or black? If they made a profit how much was it or is that a secret?It's not my fault if you can't distinguish between operating a for-profit tourist trap in Hawaii (what your religion does) and operating a non-profit hospital in Kenya or a non-profit orphanage in Bolivia (what my religion does).
Also, again, none of this changes the fact that your religion purposely hides its finances and openly tells its tithing members that they're going to use your tithes for whatever it wants to use them for, and there's nothing you can do about it. I've already given one example of a Coptic priest being fired (basically) for doing what your church does as a matter of course (making private, for-profit investments).
There's a world of difference between how your religion operates and how actual Christian churches operate.
(Book of Mormon | 2 Nephi 26:32)They teach a tiny bit of Mormonism instead of the commandments of Christ.
I am not seeking status.Time is running out. There's a saying: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." "Ye must be born again" so that you recognize that your works don't contribute to your status in the next life.
"So you say baptism is the new birth but people continue to walk according to the world?" Agency"So you say baptism is the new birth but people continue to walk according to the world? How can you say someone is born again, but still captive to Satan? How can you say that non-Mormon baptism gives a person the new birth? Mormons don't recognize non-Mormon baptisms! Why do missionaries baptize unbelievers?"
He is the way, you ignored my four questions.
Did the hospital and orphanage end up in the red or black? If they made a profit how much was it or is that a secret?
I am not being a troll. Every hospital, whether non-profit or not, either makes a profit or takes a loss at the end of the year. The same thing would be true of an orphanage. It takes money to run them. Do they make their finances public?What part of 'non-profit' makes this an appropriate question to you?
Quit being a troll.
I am not being a troll. Every hospital, whether non-profit or not, either makes a profit or takes a loss at the end of the year. The same thing would be true of an orphanage. It takes money to run them. Do they make their finances public?
https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/taxes-nonprofit-corporation-earnings-30284.html
You are aware you were condemning the LDS Church for not making their finances public yet I didn't find anywhere that the Coptic Orthodox Church made their finances public either.I am aware of this. "Non-profit" is not the same as "does not make a profit". It means "not conducted in order to make a profit." This is the same problem I had with your previous assertion of "they build buildings to make money." That's not true, and neither is whatever you're trying to imply now regarding Coptic orphanages and hospitals. We're not the Mormon Church-Corporation. We don't do for-profit 'church' businesses. Again, quit trolling.
I have no idea if the orphanage in Bolivia makes their finances public. There is a website for the diocese that I'm sure you can contact if you are interested. Given that the website has a wishlist for the diocese that includes things like AA batteries and insect repellent, I'm going to guess they are not rolling in the dough.
Also I have met a few people at the church in Arizona who have volunteered in Bolivia, and they say that it is an extremely modest operation. From all the video or photo evidence I've seen, this is an accurate way to describe it. They will have been in Bolivia for 18 years as of this coming December and it still seems very modest, with a cathedral and chapel (I don't know about individual parishes in the country; I've seen video of the liturgy being celebrated outside of La Paz celebrated in the open, as in Portachuelo, so I'm guessing they don't have a lot of individual buildings yet), but also a medical/dental center and pharmacy, the orphanage, and other humanitarian efforts connected to the diocese.
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I don't know about the COC, or any other churches for that matter, but the churches I have been involved in will make their financial records available to the congregation at an annual church meeting in which they review the year's spending and approve the next year's budget. In addition, they are available UPON REQUEST to the public. But if you searched their respective web sites, it would not be posted there.You are aware you were condemning the LDS Church for not making their finances public yet I didn't find anywhere that the Coptic Orthodox Church made their finances public either.
I don't know about the COC, or any other churches for that matter, but the churches I have been involved in will make their financial records available to the congregation at an annual church meeting in which they review the year's spending and approve the next year's budget. In addition, they are available UPON REQUEST to the public. But if you searched their respective web sites, it would not be posted there.
HUGE difference from the lds church. Request denied.
You are aware you were condemning the LDS Church for not making their finances public yet I didn't find anywhere that the Coptic Orthodox Church made their finances public either.
"So you say baptism is the new birth but people continue to walk according to the world?" Agency
"How can you say someone is born again, but still captive to Satan?" Same answer.
"How can you say that non-Mormon baptism gives a person the new birth?" It doesn't because of lack of authority:
(New Testament | 2 Timothy 3:5)
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
"Why do missionaries baptize unbelievers?" They don't.
I agree. Which seems they conveniently forget about their Articles of Faith #12 and 13.The name of the game is transparency. The Mormon Church is purposely not transparent.
Most tax-exempt organizations are required to file the IRS Form 990, an informationreturn that is open to the public. ... However, churches are exempt from filing the Form 990 and need not disclose any financial information to the IRS, the public, or their donors.Exactly this. Not only are the finances disclosed for all individual projects and programs (i.e., the programs that the diocese runs) within the diocese newsletter, as I've already written about, if you donate and it's somehow not clear to you already, you can ask about where your money is specifically going and they'll tell you. When I donated to the monastery I was visiting and doing fieldwork in a few years ago (since I had budgeted for a hotel, but they were having none of that), I asked them what they needed in specific terms and based my donation amount on that, in addition to purchasing things from their bookstore, which also goes right back into the running of the monastery and the churches connected to it. If I remember correctly (this was already ~5 years ago), the money I donated went to helping to renovate an old church they had recently purchased that used to be Roman Catholic, so that it could be acceptable for Orthodox worship (since we don't do statues or organs, there was a lot that had to be removed).
It's really not hard to just be honest with people, which makes the fact that the Mormon Church refuses to do that seem really slimy.
Most tax-exempt organizations are required to file the IRS Form 990, an informationreturn that is open to the public. ... However, churches are exempt from filing the Form 990 and need not disclose any financial information to the IRS, the public, or their donors.
That being said the Bible states:
(New Testament | Matthew 6:1 - 4)
1 TAKE heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
Baptism is the new birth:Then your statement that baptism is the new birth isn't true at all.
People are funny that way, they assume that if someone does something in secret it must be something bad. Jesus did things in secret.I'm not saying that you legally have to do anything. I'm not a lawyer. I am saying that if you are not transparent about what you are doing when it is known that you are involved with all kinds of for-profit ventures despite being 'non-profit' as a religion, it makes many people very leery of you, and rightly so. You're skirting the line between legal and illegal (recall my earlier point about the Church of Scientology once upon a time losing its tax exempt status for being a money-making operation that enriched its founder; there's no reason why something similar couldn't happen to Mormonism, albeit on slightly different grounds, since it's just not just one guy and his family at the top of the Mormon pyramid), and even the fact that something may be technically legal to do doesn't make most people okay with it.
Yeah, and that would be totally appropriate to cite if Mormons were giving tithes in order to brag before people about how much tithing they do. That's not what this discussion is about.
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