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mmksparbud · Jan 18, 2020

He is the way said:
God created this earth for His own purpose. It was to test us:

We were created for His pleasure and to have dominion over all the earth--He created it to be inhabited

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Isa 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Rev_4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Nowhere does the bible say were were created to be tested.

Jamesone5 · Jan 18, 2020

He is the way said:
This is the corrected verse:

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and repented; and God turned away the evil that he had said he would bring upon them.

God does not repent.

Corrected verse? O f What?

This is the original question which you responded with the above.

Jamesone5 said: ↑

So why does you verse still say "Ye are gods", if in the next post you said you corrected the verse?

Since you have NO answer to my question, I have to assume you defaulted.

truefiction1 · Jan 18, 2020

He is the way said:
God has the power to resurrect men from the dead. Through the atonement, Jesus Christ has the power to perfect us so we can be one with God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.

Is it the Holy Spirit of God Who perfects us, through God the Word, in accord with the will of God the Father?

He is the way said:
I nave addressed this, Jesus said "ye are Gods" the scripture can not be broken.

"ye are gods, sons of the most high", yes. But ye are not "Yahweh". There is only One Yahweh: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit --- One Yahweh. You will never be equal to Yahweh. Apart from Yahweh, you neither can, nor will do anything, because all power is from Yahweh. But what a true Christian desires is not "power". Do you desire power, and to have the power of God in yourself as God has?

It is one thing to desire Communion with God. It is quite a different thing to desire the power of God. Such a desire is rooted in sinful unbelief in God, and is of Satan.

truefiction1 · Jan 18, 2020

He is the way said:
Yes the Father Son and Holy Ghost are one in perfection as per Jesus Christ:

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

God created this earth for His own purpose. It was to test us:

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 5:32)

32 Ye shall observe to do therefore as the LORD your God hath commanded you: ye shall not turn aside to the right hand or to the left.

(Old Testament | Deuteronomy 6:24 - 25)

24 And the LORD commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the LORD our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one Divine essence, for which there is no match nor ever will be. They are un-created, while all else that exists is created by Them. You are not un-created. The atomic particles of which you are made were also made by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, just as the Bible has always stated and of which there is no doubt.

The "being made perfect in one" does not, nor ever will, cause us to become of one essence with God. This is not possible because we are created beings whereas God is not a created being. God even says that we cannot know God's essence, because it would destroy us to know it. We cannot "look upon the face (essence) of God and live" (Exodus 33:20). That we cannot look upon the Divine essence, and especially never be partakers of the Divine essence is Biblical beyond doubt: "He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him." (1 Timothy 6:16)

Being exposed to Mormon ideologies has done significant harm to your understanding of Scripture. That is a fact. We will be one by God's grace, which is God's un-created Divine energy radiating from God's essence, but we will never be of one essence with God. There is only one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Rescued One · Jan 18, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Repent for one of us is repenting and then going the other way as a man should be trying to get right with God.

(Old Testament | Numbers 23:19)

19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Repent for God is to abstain from His Judgements

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

Would you not wish that God would repent of His Judgment toward you if you had one unaccounted- for sin in the End?

God never sins. Therefore, he never needs to repent. As Christians we know this.

"When God saw their deeds, that they turned from their wicked way, then God relented concerning the calamity which He had declared He would bring upon them. And He did not do it."

It sounds like He had mercy on them instead of punishing them.

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

mmksparbud said:
We were created for His pleasure and to have dominion over all the earth--He created it to be inhabited

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Isa 43:7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.
Isa 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Rev_4:11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Nowhere does the bible say were were created to be tested.

The Twelve Tribes | Earth, God's Testing Ground

"Good News" - pcanet.org

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Corrected verse? O f What?

This is the original question which you responded with the above.

Jamesone5 said: ↑

So why does you verse still say "Ye are gods", if in the next post you said you corrected the verse?

Since you have NO answer to my question, I have to assume you defaulted.

It was a corrected verse showing that God does not repent.

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

truefiction1 said:
Is it the Holy Spirit of God Who perfects us, through God the Word, in accord with the will of God the Father?

"ye are gods, sons of the most high", yes. But ye are not "Yahweh". There is only One Yahweh: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit --- One Yahweh. You will never be equal to Yahweh. Apart from Yahweh, you neither can, nor will do anything, because all power is from Yahweh. But what a true Christian desires is not "power". Do you desire power, and to have the power of God in yourself as God has?

It is one thing to desire Communion with God. It is quite a different thing to desire the power of God. Such a desire is rooted in sinful unbelief in God, and is of Satan.

I do not desire power or responsibility. However, God wants us to be like Him and has commanded us to be perfect.

Jesus said "ye are Gods"

John 10:34 Greek Text Analysis

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

truefiction1 said:
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one Divine essence, for which there is no match nor ever will be. They are un-created, while all else that exists is created by Them. You are not un-created. The atomic particles of which you are made were also made by the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, just as the Bible has always stated and of which there is no doubt.

The "being made perfect in one" does not, nor ever will, cause us to become of one essence with God. This is not possible because we are created beings whereas God is not a created being. God even says that we cannot know God's essence, because it would destroy us to know it. We cannot "look upon the face (essence) of God and live" (Exodus 33:20). That we cannot look upon the Divine essence, and especially never be partakers of the Divine essence is Biblical beyond doubt: "He alone is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light. No one has ever seen Him, nor can anyone see Him." (1 Timothy 6:16)

Being exposed to Mormon ideologies has done significant harm to your understanding of Scripture. That is a fact. We will be one by God's grace, which is God's un-created Divine energy radiating from God's essence, but we will never be of one essence with God. There is only one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Where does the Bible mention essence or trinity? Instead it says "perfect in one". We have been commanded to be perfect.

Jamesone5 · Jan 19, 2020

He is the way said:
I wrote the corrected scripture afterwards.

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

So what do you do with this verse?

Cross it out from all the Bibles that you give away to converts---just because you do not understand the meanings?

And do You have the authority to CORRECT Scripture?
To tell us which one is CORRECT in our Bibles and which ones that are not correct?
It would seem that Mormons have taken the Joseph Smith route---to write a "corrected Bible" and in turn fight with the Holy Spirit who inspired God's Word.

Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

I will even take your Fav' verse and show you that you are not reading it in entirety:

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Are you not trying to "break" scripture by telling us one verse in Scripture is correct and one is not?

Jamesone5 · Jan 19, 2020

He is the way said:
It was a corrected verse showing that God does not repent.

I am just trying to track down the falsehoods here. You said this is the corrected verse which is this one

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and repented; and God turned away the evil that he had said he would bring upon them.

But when I go to the link [in blue] in your statement, it turns out to be this:

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil which he said he would do unto them; and he did it not

Classic "bait and switch" in order to confuse someone and I am not buying it.
And I am fairly sure that your not even aware of what you are doing.

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

So what do you do with this verse?

Cross it out from all the Bibles that you give away to converts---just because you do not understand the meanings?

And do You have the authority to CORRECT Scripture?
To tell us which one is CORRECT in our Bibles and which ones that are not correct?
It would seem that Mormons have taken the Joseph Smith route---to write a "corrected Bible" and in turn fight with the Holy Spirit who inspired God's Word.

Deuteronomy 4:2
You shall not add to the word which I command you, nor take from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

I will even take your Fav' verse and show you that you are not reading it in entirety:

(New Testament | John 10:34 - 35)

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

Are you not trying to "break" scripture by telling us one verse in Scripture is correct and one is not?

As I said there are contradictions in the Bible. The scripture I quoted is from the JST. As a prophet of God Joseph Smith did have authority from God to make corrections to the Bible. There are other contradictions such as the first part of John 3:12

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
I am just trying to track down the falsehoods here. You said this is the corrected verse which is this one

(Old Testament | Jonah 3:10)

10 ¶ And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and repented; and God turned away the evil that he had said he would bring upon them.

But when I go to the link [in blue] in your statement, it turns out to be this:

10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil which he said he would do unto them; and he did it not

Classic "bait and switch" in order to confuse someone and I am not buying it.
And I am fairly sure that your not even aware of what you are doing.

It was not my intention to be confusing and I apologize for making it confusing. The JST corrected the contradiction because God does not repent.

Jamesone5 · Jan 19, 2020

He is the way said:
It was not my intention to be confusing and I apologize for making it confusing. The JST corrected the contradiction because God does not repent.

Pu--Lease.
After centuries of true prophets abiding by God's Word and understanding what the two verse say---Joseph Smith finally comes along in 1820 and clears it up for the whole world?

This JST. Are you not confident enough about it to correct the mistakes of the whole world? You still used the uncorrected KJV, do you not?

Jamesone5 · Jan 19, 2020

He is the way said:
As I said there are contradictions in the Bible. The scripture I quoted is from the JST. As a prophet of God Joseph Smith did have authority from God to make corrections to the Bible. There are other contradictions such as the first part of John 3:12

Um--excuse me you have to first convince me that Joseph Smith was not one of these;

Matthew 24:11
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

Before you convicince me that what he says is true about the Bible.

You Mormons are always putting "the cart before the horse" in that you have to convince us that he is a true prophet before we discuss matters as to what he says.

By the way what you claim are contradictions are just misunderstandings.

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Pu--Lease.
After centuries of true prophets abiding by God's Word and understanding what the two verse say---Joseph Smith finally comes along in 1820 and clears it up for the whole world?

This JST. Are you not confident enough about it to correct the mistakes of the whole world? You still used the uncorrected KJV, do you not?

It was a comparison.

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

Jamesone5 said:
Um--excuse me you have to first convince me that Joseph Smith was not one of these;

Matthew 24:11
Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.

Before you convicince me that what he says is true about the Bible.

You Mormons are always putting "the cart before the horse" in that you have to convince us that he is a true prophet before we discuss matters as to what he says.

By the way what you claim are contradictions are just misunderstandings.

The Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price show that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and brought Christ's church back to the earth again.

mmksparbud · Jan 19, 2020

He is the way said:
The Twelve Tribes | Earth, God's Testing Ground

"Good News" - pcanet.org

you read too much of man thoughts! Read you bible!
The bible is clear as to why we were created----now is a different story. With the fall we became a theatre to the universe.

1Co 4:9 For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

mmksparbud · Jan 19, 2020

He is the way said:
The Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price show that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and brought Christ's church back to the earth again.

Only to LDS---the rest of us can read for ourselves that he is not.

He is the way · Jan 19, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Only to LDS---the rest of us can read for ourselves that he is not.

Why believe man over God?

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