Mormanism, but slightly different?

[Dapo|e †]

Well there is this gorgeous young lady I really care about. And as it so happens so is a Morman. This is a slight problem...or so I would think. I am a Southern Baptist and you can probably already see problems arrising. But the fact is that we enjoy each other a lot and her beliefs do not seem to line up with this "Cult Mormanism" I have always heard about. But I still wanna try to discuss with her about how The Book of Morman is not to be thought of on the same infalliable level of the Bible and discuss some of the other beliefs that Mormans have that do not line up with the bible. Here are the oddites of her family's mormanism though.

Point A) I have always been told that Mormans are going to hell because they do not believe in getting saved... Umm..not exactly. Sarah (her name) and her family believe that Jesus died for our sins and through His death and resurrection we have a free gift of eterenal life if we only repent and ask Jesus into our hearts to save us. Is this not exactly what we Baptists,Pentecostals,etc... believe? So, this means they are sinners saved by grace just like me and my pastor and (I assume) you guys. And it also means they have a place waiting for them in heaven.

Point B) Given point A: would this make them almost just a different Denomination of Christianity instead of a different Faith? And when asked, they call themselves Christians. They don't say. "We are mormans". They simply reply we are Christians. And if asked what kind of chrsitians they would reply Morman. (Not what I have been told all my life).

They go to a LDS church and everything. But this just doesn't seem like the "Cult" I have heard they were all my life. But my problem is that they use the Book Of Morman like it is the end all book. Whereas the Bible is the only book that is infallible to the nith degree. (btw didn't the Book of Morman get slightly revisd not long ago because it wasn't "politcally correct" with the black and white issue? or is that some other book?) But I am honestly looking for some help on discussing with her about Things like the BoM, and the way they must go out on 2 year missionary trips because it is practically a necessity for a place in a church etc... Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated. Also any other info on the Morman faith that I have not listed above that is different would be great info for me to know. I know about the "after life" they are supposed to have (the whole planet thingy). I have yet to ask Sarah if she believes in this afterlife or not. Thx for any help what so ever.

 

[Serapha]

Hi There!



You covered a lot of territory in a short amount of time.

If your friend, sarah, is a professing member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. then the Jesus that she professes.... is not the same Jesus Christ of the Gospels. Even the president of the organization says it is not the same Jesus that they worship. The Jesus of mormonism is a brother to lucifer. Now, as a Baptist you know that lucifer was created as an angel and Christ was the incarnate Son of God.

That would be the first error.


God the Father is not the same as Heavenly Father of mormonism. Heavenly Father of mormonism was once a man just as we are... but because he was so perfect he progressed to become a god. He is a seperate entity from Jesus Christ as they do not support trinitarian beliefs. Heavenly Father has many wives, has parents of unknown origin, lives closest to the planet Kolob, ... etc... are you getting the picture yet... Though you will be told that Heavenly Father is God the Father, he is not. Heavenly Father is not omnipresent, nor is Jesus Christ.

That would be the second error.


The early LDS's did have black people in the priesthood, but for a very short time. There are probably hundreds of comments in the book of mormon and LDS literature (in the past) that identify the inferiority of the black race. It came a head ni the mid-1970's when several of the universities and colleges across the country stated they were going to boycott BYU for their racial stand. There were several national groups that were calling for a boycott of the LDS church over their standing. Then-president Jimmy Carter called then-president of the LDS's (Spencer Kimball) and advised him that they were considering pulling the non-prophet status of the LDS church because of their discriminating acts... and surprise, within two weeks, the president of the church received a new revelation that the church would change their policy concerning allowing blacks to be members of the priesthood (melchizedec)


Shall I continue?


~malaka~

 

[ByGrace]

The book of mormon had 3,972 changes done to it

Their other scriptures account for another 4,000 some odd changes

The temple ceremony has been DRASTICALLY changed to take out penalties of having your throat slashed and your tongue ripped out, your chest slashed and your heart ripped out, and your belly slashed and your bowels spilt to the earth for the creatures to devour if you reveal the secrets of the temple.

There are so many problems with mormonism that it would take volumes. The problem with mormon salvation is that it is "he will save us by his grace AFTER ALL WE CAN DO" this is not biblical. Also the lds church has always taught that there are certain sins so grievous that the blood of Jesus can not atone for them. This is why blood atonements (the shedding of the sinners blood) was practiced and why still to this day Utah is still offering the firing squad as a means of execution.

Go to the Utah lighthouse ministries site and you can get tons of info.

 

[Serapha]

Hi there!




I want to add to my previous comments because I did not address this statement.


You said,

"But I still wanna try to discuss with her about how The Book of Morman is not to be thought of on the same infalliable level of the Bible and discuss some of the other beliefs that Mormans have that do not line up with the bible."



The book of mormon was not inspired of God, but was a creation of man, i.e. Joseph Smith. It is plagiarized from The Holy Bible (which is inspired and infallible), some from other poetry, from Shakespeare, and others, and the entire storyline is taken from Spalding's book. The bom is not infallible and is filled with error both in doctrine and in application. There are no supports for the bom from archaeological findings. Not one archaeological finding supports the places, the names, or the actions recorded in the book.


That would be a good place to begin talking about the error of the bom.


~malaka~

 

[Supernat]

Dapole youre are the man!

 

[DrBubbaLove]

This is not a particularly conservative Christian website, at least not IMO and they are open to a very wide range of Christain beliefs. Even so, while being so open to such a wide range, you must ask yourself why they would not allow Mormons to post in the Christian only section. It would be one thing if this were a Baptist site and they had a Baptist only section. But that is not the case here.

Might never makes right, but you must admit there are some very different and opposing Christian views, all freely posting in that section. But no Mormons. Pray about it and discuss it with your Pastor.

 

[Rescued One]

Well there is this gorgeous young lady I really care about. And as it so happens so is a Morman. This is a slight problem...or so I would think. I am a Southern Baptist and you can probably already see problems arrising. But the fact is that we enjoy each other a lot and her beliefs do not seem to line up with this "Cult Mormanism" I have always heard about. But I still wanna try to discuss with her about how The Book of Morman is not to be thought of on the same infalliable level of the Bible and discuss some of the other beliefs that Mormans have that do not line up with the bible. Here are the oddites of her family's mormanism though.

Point A) I have always been told that Mormans are going to hell because they do not believe in getting saved... Umm..not exactly. Sarah (her name) and her family believe that Jesus died for our sins and through His death and resurrection we have a free gift of eterenal life if we only repent and ask Jesus into our hearts to save us. Is this not exactly what we Baptists,Pentecostals,etc... believe? So, this means they are sinners saved by grace just like me and my pastor and (I assume) you guys. And it also means they have a place waiting for them in heaven.

I was a good Mormon for years. We always told people what we thought they could handle about Mormonism and kept the rest secret. It was so we could get people interested in hearing more about our church. Then we asked if they'd like to talk to the missionaries. The missionaries are like enthusiastic salesmen. They soon ask you to consider baptism. The next thing you know, you're in the water and you're a Mormon.

Point B) Given point A: would this make them almost just a different Denomination of Christianity instead of a different Faith? And when asked, they call themselves Christians. They don't say. "We are mormans". They simply reply we are Christians. And if asked what kind of chrsitians they would reply Morman.

It's a new approach. They don't believe you can have eternal life and be with God unless you work your way to the top of the celestial kingdom. That's the truth and don't let them fool you into believing otherwise.

(Not what I have been told all my life).

Of course not! They keep changing their tactics.

They go to a LDS church and everything. But this just doesn't seem like the "Cult" I have heard they were all my life. But my problem is that they use the Book Of Morman like it is the end all book. Whereas the Bible is the only book that is infallible to the nith degree. (btw didn't the Book of Morman get slightly revisd not long ago because it wasn't "politcally correct" with the black and white issue? or is that some other book?)

The Book of Mormon had to be changed because it said the Native Americans(Lamanites) would become white and delightsome if they converted to Mormonism. Their skin color wasn't changing. So now the Book of Mormon says they'll become "pure and delightsome."

But I am honestly looking for some help on discussing with her about Things like the BoM,

It will be tons of work for you!

and the way they must go out on 2 year missionary trips because it is practically a necessity for a place in a church etc...

It won't work to argue about that. It has been expected, not required, for too many years. Good Mormon families teach their boys the importance of it from toddlerhood on.

Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated. Also any other info on the Morman faith that I have not listed above that is different would be great info for me to know. I know about the "after life" they are supposed to have (the whole planet thingy). I have yet to ask Sarah if she believes in this afterlife or not. Thx for any help what so ever.

Sarah may tell you she wants to go to the highest level of the celestial kingdom, but she may not mention the "planet thingy."

See my next post.

 

[Rescued One]

They believe there are many Gods:

Book of Abraham, Pearl of Great Price, Chapter 4

1 AND then the Lord said: Let us go down. And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth.
2 And the earth, after it was formed, was empty and desolate, because they had not formed anything but the earth; and darkness reigned upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of the Gods was brooding upon the face of the waters.
3 And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light; and there was light.
4 And they (the Gods) comprehended the light, for it was bright; and they divided the light, or caused it to be divided, from the darkness.
5 And the Gods called the light Day, and the darkness they called Night. And it came to pass that from the evening until morning they called night; and from the morning until the evening they called day; and this was the first, or the beginning, of that which they called day and night.

________________________________________________

"To those who are bound to defend the mass of confusion in the creeds of Christendom, the concept that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one God is totally incomprehensible. They are baffled by their beliefs, confused by their creeds, unconverted by the incomprehensible. Their only recourse is to glory in the mystery of godliness and to suppose there is something wonderful in worshipping a spirit nothingness that is neither here nor there any more then he exists now or then. The total inability to know God becomes the most basic tenet of their religion and closes the door to that progress which leads to exaltation and Godhood."

(The Promised Messiah

by Bruce R. McConkie, p 117-118 )

"God himself was once a man as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned on yonder heavens!… I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see… It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible."

(Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith
by Joseph Fielding Smith, p. 345-346 )

 

[Rescued One]

Priesthood teaching:

“Man May Become Like God” D & C 132:20


Strive to obey the gospel and become like God the Father.

“But what is the purpose of it all?” Frank blurted out to his quorum president as they walked home together after an interview. “Why do we do all the things we are supposed to do? Yes, I know the Church is true and that we will be judged in eternity for how well we do here. But the requirements here are so precise, and the promises are so vague. What are we seeking, really?”

Have you ever felt like Frank? Is it easy for us to sometimes forget the actual objectives that we have in the Church? Do we ever get busy attending meetings, paying tithing, holding home evenings, and trying to do all the rest that God has required that we forget what our ultimate destiny can be if we remain faithful?


1 God Was Once a Man

As We Are Now

When he was a young man, Lorenzo Snow was promised by the Lord through the Patriarch to the Church that through obedience to the gospel he could become as great as God,” and you cannot wish to be greater”(Eliza R. Snow, Biography and Family Record of Lorenzo Snow, pp. 9-10).

President Lorenzo Snow recorded this experience that occurred when he was still a young elder: “The Spirit of the Lord rested mightily upon me—the eyes of my understanding were opened, and I saw as clear as the sun shone at noon-day, with wonder and astonishment, the pathway of God and man.” Elder Snow expressed this new found understanding in these words: “As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be.” Later the Prophet Joseph Smith assured him: “Brother Snow, that is true gospel doctrine, and it is a revelation from God to you” (quoted by LeRoi C. Snow, in “Devotion to Divine Inspiration,” Improvement Era, June 1919, pp. 651-56).

The Prophet Joseph Smith said:

“...It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God, and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth” (Teachings, pp. 345-46; italics in original).


President Brigham Young elaborated on this concept: “It must be that God knows something about temporal things, and has a body and been on an earth; were it not so He would not know how to judge men righteously, according to the temptations and sins they have had to contend with” (as cited by Harold B. Lee, in Conference Report, Apr. 1969, p. 130; or Improvement Era, June 1969, p. 104).

3 Nephi 12:48. What are some of the meanings implied in this passage?_____________ _______________________________________________________________________



Could the words “even as” have reference to the way as well as the accomplishment? Does Jesus ask that we do anything that he was not willing to do himself?
_________________________________________________________________

2 Our Father Advanced and

Progressed Until He Became God

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: “Our Father in heaven, according to the Prophet, had a Father, and since there has been a condition of this kind through all eternity, each Father had a Father” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:47).

President Joseph F. Smith taught: “I know that God is a being with body, parts and passions.... Man was born of woman; Christ, the Savior, was born of woman; and God, the Father was born of woman” (Church News, 19 Sept. 1936, p. 2).


President Wilford Woodruff explained: “[God] has had his endowments a great many years ago. He has ascended to his thrones, principalities and powers in the eternities. We are his children.....We are here to fill a probation and receive an education” (Deseret News Weekly, 28 Sept. 1881, p. 546).


How does it help to know that the basic elements of God’s life in a mortal world were the same as ours? President Brigham Young explained:

“He is our Father—the Father of our Spirits—and was once a man in mortal flesh as we are....

“...There never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds and when men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through....

“It appears ridiculous to the world, under their darkened and erroneous traditions, that God has been a finite being” (Deseret News, 16 Nov. 1859, p. 290).



Philippians 2:5-12. What does this passage say that Jesus did? ____________________________


Why did he feel justified in doing it?________________________________________________

How does Jesus show us the way and provide us the power, through our obedience, to do just as he has done(compare John 15:1-8)?_________________________________________________


3 Through Obedience to the Gospel,

Man May Become like God


Elder S. Dilworth Young attributed in verse the following words to our Father in Heaven as He revealed His plan to us in our premortal home:

“My children all: You see in me

Exalted man, of flesh and bone

And spirit pure. One time, long

Long ago, I was as you, a spirit son

Of an exalted Father. [see HC 6:302-17]

You may become as now I have become

But you must do as I have done.”

(In “The Eternal Conflict,” 1978 Devotional Speeches of the Year.

[Provo, Utah: Brigham Young University Press, 1979], p. 83.)

(Search These Commandments, Melchizedek Priesthood Personal Study Guide, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pp. 151-153)

 

[Cassiopeia]

My advise: if you want to know what the Mormon's believe ask a active practicing Latter-day Saint. Then when you understand what they are saying and it will probably take a long time to figure it all out, then I would talk to them about your concerns.

Peace,
Casi

 

[Wrigley]

Well there is this gorgeous young lady I really care about. And as it so happens so is a Morman. This is a slight problem...or so I would think. I am a Southern Baptist and you can probably already see problems arrising. But the fact is that we enjoy each other a lot and her beliefs do not seem to line up with this "Cult Mormanism" I have always heard about. But I still wanna try to discuss with her about how The Book of Morman is not to be thought of on the same infalliable level of the Bible and discuss some of the other beliefs that Mormans have that do not line up with the bible. Here are the oddites of her family's mormanism though.

Point A) I have always been told that Mormans are going to hell because they do not believe in getting saved... Umm..not exactly. Sarah (her name) and her family believe that Jesus died for our sins and through His death and resurrection we have a free gift of eterenal life if we only repent and ask Jesus into our hearts to save us. Is this not exactly what we Baptists,Pentecostals,etc... believe? So, this means they are sinners saved by grace just like me and my pastor and (I assume) you guys. And it also means they have a place waiting for them in heaven.

Point B) Given point A: would this make them almost just a different Denomination of Christianity instead of a different Faith? And when asked, they call themselves Christians. They don't say. "We are mormans". They simply reply we are Christians. And if asked what kind of chrsitians they would reply Morman. (Not what I have been told all my life).

They go to a LDS church and everything. But this just doesn't seem like the "Cult" I have heard they were all my life. But my problem is that they use the Book Of Morman like it is the end all book. Whereas the Bible is the only book that is infallible to the nith degree. (btw didn't the Book of Morman get slightly revisd not long ago because it wasn't "politcally correct" with the black and white issue? or is that some other book?) But I am honestly looking for some help on discussing with her about Things like the BoM, and the way they must go out on 2 year missionary trips because it is practically a necessity for a place in a church etc... Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated. Also any other info on the Morman faith that I have not listed above that is different would be great info for me to know. I know about the "after life" they are supposed to have (the whole planet thingy). I have yet to ask Sarah if she believes in this afterlife or not. Thx for any help what so ever.

Point number one.

Looks aren't everything.

Point number two.

The responses you've received from the Christians who have responded are spot on and should not be discounted.

 

[skylark1]

Hopefully, Dapo|e's questions were answered, since he posted this over 1 1/2 years ago. His profile shows that his last visit here was September 30, 2003....

Hi Supernat,

Welcome to CF.

Did you bump this old thread up because you wanted to add a comment, or had a question?

 

[Blackmarch]

Well there is this gorgeous young lady I really care about. And as it so happens so is a Morman. This is a slight problem...or so I would think. I am a Southern Baptist and you can probably already see problems arrising. But the fact is that we enjoy each other a lot and her beliefs do not seem to line up with this "Cult Mormanism" I have always heard about. But I still wanna try to discuss with her about how The Book of Morman is not to be thought of on the same infalliable level of the Bible and discuss some of the other beliefs that Mormans have that do not line up with the bible. Here are the oddites of her family's mormanism though.

Point A) I have always been told that Mormans are going to hell because they do not believe in getting saved... Umm..not exactly. Sarah (her name) and her family believe that Jesus died for our sins and through His death and resurrection we have a free gift of eterenal life if we only repent and ask Jesus into our hearts to save us. Is this not exactly what we Baptists,Pentecostals,etc... believe? So, this means they are sinners saved by grace just like me and my pastor and (I assume) you guys. And it also means they have a place waiting for them in heaven.

Point B) Given point A: would this make them almost just a different Denomination of Christianity instead of a different Faith? And when asked, they call themselves Christians. They don't say. "We are mormans". They simply reply we are Christians. And if asked what kind of chrsitians they would reply Morman. (Not what I have been told all my life).

They go to a LDS church and everything. But this just doesn't seem like the "Cult" I have heard they were all my life. But my problem is that they use the Book Of Morman like it is the end all book. Whereas the Bible is the only book that is infallible to the nith degree. (btw didn't the Book of Morman get slightly revisd not long ago because it wasn't "politcally correct" with the black and white issue? or is that some other book?) But I am honestly looking for some help on discussing with her about Things like the BoM, and the way they must go out on 2 year missionary trips because it is practically a necessity for a place in a church etc... Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated. Also any other info on the Morman faith that I have not listed above that is different would be great info for me to know. I know about the "after life" they are supposed to have (the whole planet thingy). I have yet to ask Sarah if she believes in this afterlife or not. Thx for any help what so ever.

There are very many rumors and stuff like that that have gone around for years... Anyone who's been told that about mormons all their life will be surprised when they see the real things. The LDS don't consider the BoM or the Bible to be infallible, nor the only bits of Scripture God has given to man, or will give to man.

You may have questions about what members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe. Some of the basic beliefs of the Church are:

• God is our Heavenly Father. He loves us and wants us to return to Him.
• Jesus Christ is the Son of God. He is our Savior. He redeems us from death by providing the Resurrection. He saves us from sin as we repent.
• Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, we can return to live with God if we keep His commandments.
• The Holy Ghost helps us to recognize truth.
• The first principles and ordinances of the gospel are faith in Jesus Christ, repentance, baptism, and receiving the gift of the Holy Ghost.
• The Church of Jesus Christ has been restored to the earth.
• The priesthood authority of God exists in His Church today, just as it did in the original Church.
• The Bible and the Book of Mormon are the word of God.
• God reveals His will to prophets today, just as He did anciently.
• Our life has a sacred purpose.
• Families can be together forever.
• Through serving others, we can experience joy and draw closer to God.

The best way for you to receive answers to your questions is to talk with a friend or acquaintance who is a member of the Church.


When joseph Smith was asked in a Letter what the Mormons believe, this is part of his reply;

1 WE abelieve in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their bown sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5 We believe that a man must be called of God, by bprophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6 We believe in the same aorganization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, bprophets, cpastors, dteachers, eevangelists, and so forth.
7 We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10 We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11 We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12 We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13 We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

JOSEPH SMITH.

 

[A New Dawn]

The early LDS's did have black people in the priesthood, but for a very short time. There are probably hundreds of comments in the book of mormon and LDS literature (in the past) that identify the inferiority of the black race.

~malaka~

In reality, there are no comments in the BoM identifying the blacks as an inferior race. If you read the other thread about that subject, you will see that the above comment is wrong.

 

[A New Dawn]

Point number one.

Looks aren't everything.

Point number two.

The responses you've received from the Christians who have responded are spot on and should not be discounted.

Point number one is correct.

Point number two is anything but "spot on".

 

[unbound]

Well there is this gorgeous young lady I really care about. And as it so happens so is a Morman. This is a slight problem...or so I would think. I am a Southern Baptist and you can probably already see problems arrising. But the fact is that we enjoy each other a lot and her beliefs do not seem to line up with this "Cult Mormanism" I have always heard about. But I still wanna try to discuss with her about how The Book of Morman is not to be thought of on the same infalliable level of the Bible and discuss some of the other beliefs that Mormans have that do not line up with the bible. Here are the oddites of her family's mormanism though.

Point A) I have always been told that Mormans are going to hell because they do not believe in getting saved... Umm..not exactly. Sarah (her name) and her family believe that Jesus died for our sins and through His death and resurrection we have a free gift of eterenal life if we only repent and ask Jesus into our hearts to save us. Is this not exactly what we Baptists,Pentecostals,etc... believe? So, this means they are sinners saved by grace just like me and my pastor and (I assume) you guys. And it also means they have a place waiting for them in heaven.

Point B) Given point A: would this make them almost just a different Denomination of Christianity instead of a different Faith? And when asked, they call themselves Christians. They don't say. "We are mormans". They simply reply we are Christians. And if asked what kind of chrsitians they would reply Morman. (Not what I have been told all my life).

They go to a LDS church and everything. But this just doesn't seem like the "Cult" I have heard they were all my life. But my problem is that they use the Book Of Morman like it is the end all book. Whereas the Bible is the only book that is infallible to the nith degree. (btw didn't the Book of Morman get slightly revisd not long ago because it wasn't "politcally correct" with the black and white issue? or is that some other book?) But I am honestly looking for some help on discussing with her about Things like the BoM, and the way they must go out on 2 year missionary trips because it is practically a necessity for a place in a church etc... Any help whatsoever would be greatly appreciated. Also any other info on the Morman faith that I have not listed above that is different would be great info for me to know. I know about the "after life" they are supposed to have (the whole planet thingy). I have yet to ask Sarah if she believes in this afterlife or not. Thx for any help what so ever.

There are real Christians in the LDS church. No joke. They all have different reasons for staying.

My wife was born Mormon. Its all she knew. But as she finds out about the shaky foundation all the temple stuff is built upon, she has lost faith in Joseph Smith. One thing she is sure of is Christ died for her sins, and can save her just as she is minus the codenames and handshakes.

Be careful,though. Ive found that "salvation" in Christian terms and "salvation" in Mormon terms are quite a different animal. Sometimes the Mormon wont tell you all the differences. I have never truly understood why, but it is dishonest to misrepresent such a thing.

 

[Theway]

Don’t you see the irony here?

He found the previous information from his Christian friends (I’m assuming it’s not from a member of the LDS church) baseless or at least misrepresented.


Yet he came on these forums to ask questions from the same people who gave him bad information/advice before.

What do you think is going to happen when it also turns out not to be correct?

I know, I know, you want to know what information is wrong? Just look over the previous topics and I’m sure it’s already been covered ad nauseam.

I do like the response about praying for the answers though.

 

[gort]

Skylark quote:

Hopefully, Dapo|e's questions were answered, since he posted this over 1 1/2 years ago. His profile shows that his last visit here was September 30, 2003....

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[Blackmarch]

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Hopefully, Dapo|e's questions were answered, since he posted this over 1 1/2 years ago. His profile shows that his last visit here was September 30, 2003....

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[Rescued One]

Don’t you see the irony here?

He found the previous information from his Christian friends (I’m assuming it’s not from a member of the LDS church) baseless or at least misrepresented.

Not baseless, nor misrepresent, just not completely accurate.

Yet he came on these forums to ask questions from the same people who gave him bad information/advice before.

He probably has long forgotten Christian Forums. We aren't the same people he talked to before. Which of them was an ex-Mormon who knew what she was talking about?

What do you think is going to happen when it also turns out not to be correct?

God is in charge, not to worry. The missionaries and Sunday School teachers in the LDS church gave me bad information ---- I survived. Praise God for His mercy and grace!

I know, I know, you want to know what information is wrong? Just look over the previous topics and I’m sure it’s already been covered ad nauseam.

What a generalization and you can't even show us the false information. Besides which, the posts following non-Mormon comments usually straighten it out. Such as Christians here informing people that the Book of Mormon doesn't mention Negroes. It talks about the curse of a dark skin on Lamanites.