Moriah Sets the Record Straight ... again.

[djconklin]

Then we have the one's who presume we are talking about them--talk about being paranoid!

 

[woobadooba]

why is this thread still open?

 

[djconklin]

Why not?

 

[woobadooba]

because it is repulsive

 

[Tink]

If we closed every thread found repulsive by someone, we'd have no forums.

Love.

 

[icedtea]

ITS not repulsive, but the promotion of satan is. Hows that?
Thats repulsive and I've read it almost a hundred times (not always here but around)

 

[HisBellaMelody]

Hon, I hear your frustration, and certainly understand it. I do...believe me. But let me ask...all dramatic stuff aside etc..what about Moriah the 'person'..not the acting out or whatever else...but under all that is a person! What about her?

 

[freeindeed2]

Moriah, has her destiny in her own hands and by the power of a loving savior can defeat this force that is torturing her mind and soul.

Anybody who's destiny is in 'their own hands' is doomed. Only those whose destiny is in the hands of the Savior, Jesus Christ, are truly free, for NOTHING can pluck them out of HIS hands.

In Christ alone.

 

[woobadooba]

ITS not repulsive, but the promotion of satan is. Hows that?
Thats repulsive and I've read it almost a hundred times (not always here but around)

Well, yes. That is what I meant. Thanks for clarifying it for me.

 

[StormyOne]

Hon, I hear your frustration, and certainly understand it. I do...believe me. But let me ask...all dramatic stuff aside etc..what about Moriah the 'person'..not the acting out or whatever else...but under all that is a person! What about her?

very true... there is still a person, and that person is also one of God's children.... one for whom Christ lived and died....

 

[djconklin]

very true... there is still a person, and that person is also one of God's children.... one for whom Christ lived and died....

Amen! Thanks! And the reality is that every single one of us will make "repulsive" statements at one time or another. Time to stop being so judgmental and more caring.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Moriah, has her destiny in her own hands and by the power of a loving savior can defeat this force that is torturing her mind and soul. He has been waiting for her for a long time, all she needs to do is turn back to Him, the giver of all life, peace and love.

I have not turned away from God.
If only things were so simple .....

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

because it is repulsive

The truth about me is repulsive? yes, perhaps it is. but it is the truth. maybe the truth about someone raped and murdered is repulsive but it is still truth. maybe the truth about someone mutilated in an accident is repulsive, but it is still the truth. maybe the truth about someone abused by the system you revere and prostrate yourself blindly in mindless devotion to is repulsive, but it is the truth. This is my truth. It is not a lie, it is not a fabrication, it is not an act. It is what I have been living with for 24 years now, in spite of all attempts to put it to rights, to get free, to stay free, to make sense of it, to heal it, to fix it ... it remains. If it displeases you, you are not under any obligation to look at it or involve yourself with it in any way. But if you find IT repulsive then you find ME repulsive, and I have to ask you what does Jesus Christ have to say to you concerning HIS will for how you treat with someone repulsive? Don't answer that -- it is meant for you to examine yourself under only. I am not your judge and you do NOT owe it to me to answer for yourself. But you owe it to God. Answer to Him for it then.

 

[icedtea]

The history of what happened (we have heard it many a time) is not what we wish to not hear.
It is the praising, the glorifying the one who will be lost forever we object to.
Its a regular thing.
Do you read it back afterwards?
Do you think most haven't heard it many times here already?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

See post #8 here http://foru.ms/t5979392-what-is-wrong-with-you.html

This was not a nice thing to say to me

Kindness begets kindness and respect, I am eminently capable of respect when kindness and respect are shown to me. Harsh words and in particular, lying about me and self-justifying are things to which I am "allergic" and react unfortunately. That is my limiitation and my problem perhaps but the solution is simple: don't do that and youll have no quarrel with me. When I am attacked Those who defend me come to mine aid, sometimes outside me sometimes from inside. I have spoken the truth about me not to "glorify Satan" but so that no one will be deceived. I have been falsely accused of the one thing I do NOT do : lie, dissemble, hide, pretend. Whatever else I am -- and I am many things both good and bad -- I am not that.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

The history of what happened (we have heard it many a time) is not what we wish to not hear.

Believe it or not, not everyone shares this perspective with you. There are those who wish to be helpful to me spiritually who WANT to hear it so they may be better informed. If it displeases you personally, or any other, behold: the ignore option is before you. Why do you not use it then?

 

[NightEternal]

Moriah, I hear what you are saying about the church and it's role in your condition. Unfortunately, whenever I try to affirm that and validate your experience, I get accused of 'shamelessly using you' to further my supposed 'agenda' of hateful attacks on the church. Moreover, I suspect some here think I am somehow 'coaching' you behind the scenes to target the church as a source of your affliction. As if you weren't experiencing your issues with sinless perfection theology years before you even met me.

Now it seems I am Satan's right hand man apparently. I guess that is an improvement from being labeled the Devil himself. I guess you did warn me this would happen though.

And now I am supposed to blast you with a double-barrell shotgun of rebuke or I am somehow endorsing and supporting evil. Yeah, okay.

I know it makes no difference whatsoever to some here and they will continue to lie and bear false witness against me and claim I hate the church. But the truth is, I love my church. I love it, and that is why I raise questions and concerns about the problem areas I have seen over the past 20 years I have been in it.

There are some here who realize these are my motivations, and I have been sent many PM's thanking me for the issues I have raised. Others will remain biased against me and say I am doing nothing but attacking the church. Whatever. That will never change. I know the truth of the matter and so do others.

 

[icedtea]

Believe it or not, not everyone shares this perspective with you. There are those who wish to be helpful to me spiritually who WANT to hear it so they may be better informed. If it displeases you personally, or any other, behold: the ignore option is before you. Why do you not use it then?

Please name those people who WANT to hear you are satans harlot or who Want to hear how he is better to you than Jesus. I will wait. Or who Want to hear you call a poster here a demon. WHo are these people who want to hear that?

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Let the record show that my issues and problems with SDA toxic soteriology originate from the early 1980s and at that time I had never made NightEternal's acquaintance.

Let the record show that NightEternal has not "coached" me in any way shape or form concerning my testimony, nor do I regard him as "using" me to further his own "agenda".

Let the record show that any rebuke given in genuine love and charity which is truthful in content can and will be received here. I reject out of hand only those that are inaccurate and seek to "rebuke" me for things that are not part of my actual existence or reality but which others seek to impose upon me and demand I acknowledge when I cannot, I simply cannot, for they are untruthful.

Let the record show that from what I know of NightEternal he does iNDEED love his church and desire the best for it, and I have never known him to do or be otherwise.


The formula is simple. Compassion and kindness. It hath ever been thus. Hate and cruelty and ugly mean words designed to cause hurt will indeed be rejected and repudiated here by me, and Those who defend me will indeed come forth and do so if They see fit. Be thankful IF it is only "through" me, because when it is otherwise ..... well let's just say no one wants to "go there".

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Please name those people who WANT to hear you are satans harlot or who Want to hear how he is better to you than Jesus. I will wait. Or who Want to hear you call a poster here a demon. WHo are these people who want to hear that?

Those who care about me are able to speak for themselves and have done so.
Those who do not? Put me on ignore. Why are you still reading my posts if you find them to be so offensive? Why do you imagine that you can control me by your hostility and nastiness and "spin" and mischaracterization of me? You will not prevail in this. Cease and desist. Any further will be construed as harassment, I am asking you nicely to leave me be. You have the ignore option. Use it.