More whacky ideas about peer review from ICR.

[KerrMetric]

The real argument demonstrated here is that ICR people ARE doing real science.

Tell me why you consider this real science? If you see my prior post I have linked to the actual paper discussing the "research".

Can you tell me the overriding difference between this paper and any journal paper of a similar scope - and why I would consider this paper fundamentally flawed as scientific paper?

 

[archaeologist]

Please provide us links to credible sources that back up your claim that Kerr Metric is being led astray or being deceived. Otherwise, these are just empty words

his trashing of the book of Revelation in another thread should suffice.**


**haven't found it in my first search.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

his trashing of the book of Revelation in another thread should suffice.

I think you may be challenged on this statement.

I hope so.

 

[theFijian]

Please provide us links to credible sources that back up your claim that Kerr Metric is being led astray or being deceived. Otherwise, these are just empty words.

Not to mention close to being libelous, although having said that I don't think any court would take Archie's words (empty or otherwise) particularly seriously.

 

[archaeologist]

Not to mention close to being libelous, although having said that I don't think any court would take Archie's words (empty or otherwise) particularly seriously.

said discussion was posted and there were follow up comments by other posters as well. it is not slanderous, i just haven't found the thread yet. {and who is to say it hasn't been edited by now}

 

[KerrMetric]

I do trash Revelation to some extent. I personally find it worthless nonsense and devoid of inspiration. I treat it as some Christians groups have throughout history and do to this day. Personally I look upon it as the ramblings of a delusional madman and nothing to do with Christ.

 

[Assyrian]

I don't know about that bit, I would not expect raving delusionals to write within a well established literary genre which included canonical books like Daniel and Ezekiel as well as later books like Enoch, Jubilees and 2Esdras. Even Jesus seems to have recognised the legitimacy of the apocalyptic title Son of Man and appropriated it as rightfully his. (Yes there was also a long established use of 'son of man' to mean ordinary mortal, but that would not have been quite so controversial.)

At the same time, we had church fathers like Crystostome wanting to exclude Revelation from the canon, and into the 9th century it was still considered one of the 'disputed books'. Martin Luther wrote about it in his 1522 preface to the book "About this book of the Revelation of John, I leave everyone free to hold his own opinions. I would not have anyone bound to my opinion or judgment. I say what I feel. I miss more than one thing in this book, and it makes me consider it to be neither apostolic nor prophetic. First and foremost, the apostles do not deal with visions, but prophesy in clear and plain words, as do Peter and Paul, and Christ in the gospel. For it befits the apostolic office to speak clearly of Christ and his deeds, without images and visions. Moreover there is no prophet in the Old Testament, to say nothing of the New, who deals so exclusively with visions and images. For myself, I think it approximates the Fourth Book of Esdras (2Esdras); I can in no way detect that the Holy Spirit produced it."

Doubting the authenticity of Revelation is a long established tradition in the church. But personally, I love the book of Revelation, it is the perfect completion to a bible that starts of with another allegory of a newly created earth and heavens, a marriage, paradise, a serpent and a tree of life.

 

[theFijian]

said discussion was posted and there were follow up comments by other posters as well. it is not slanderous, i just haven't found the thread yet. {and who is to say it hasn't been edited by now}

You should be glad if it had been editted.

 

[archaeologist]

i guess it is time to remind everyone, who dismisses or trashes revelation, what Rev. 22:18 & 19 say:

i warn everyone who hears these words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. and if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book

these are very serious words and denying the book or its warning doesn't change the fact that this will happen

i have said it before, if you can't accept genesis, how can you accept salvation, the ressurrection or revelation?

 

[Assyrian]

I love the way you keep forgetting Revelation is allegorical.

 

[archaeologist]

I love the way you keep forgetting Revelation is allegorical

nice way to sweep away the truths of the Bible. by the way, do youy think the passages about those believing and following God and get to be with Him forever is allegorical?

rev. 21: 1-4

or
rev. 22:7-17

 

[gluadys]

nice way to sweep away the truths of the Bible. by the way, do youy think the passages about those believing and following God and get to be with Him forever is allegorical?

rev. 21: 1-4

or
rev. 22:7-17

Yes, they are certainly allegorical.

They are also certainly true.

Are you holding to the false proposition that something cannot be both allegorical and true?

 

[archaeologist]

Are you holding to the false proposition that something cannot be both allegorical and true

from the oxford:

allegory-- a story, lay, picture, etc. in which each character or event is a symbol representing an idea...

symbol-- a person, an object, an event, etc. that represents a more general quality or situation


so in your mind, in revelation, what is God a symbol of? the final judgement? the Holy Spirit? and so on

are you saying that what God said in revelations is not what is going to take place? (granted Joohn did not have the vocabularly to describe certain things he saw, after all he was shown the future and ancient greek was not fully versed in modern words)

that there will be no justice for believers? that the devil and his followers will not go to the lake of fire?

please be honest about what you believe.

 

[Assyrian]

nice way to sweep away the truths of the Bible. by the way, do youy think the passages about those believing and following God and get to be with Him forever is allegorical?

rev. 21: 1-4

You think a city dressed as a bride isn't allegorical?

or
rev. 22:7-17

I see you leave out the bit about the throne of the lamb, and the nations being healed by leaves. You still have Jesus Christ being two Greek letters, having to do our laundry before we enter the city, the no dogs allowed sign on the gates, Jesus being a tree root, as well as the planet Venus, and the bride (that's the city isn't it?) offering people free drinks of 'the water of life'. That would be literal water would it?

So the danger is, if we don't accept Genesis literally, we might not accept that all this allegory in Revelation is literal too?

And tell me archie, you do believe God is everywhere don't you? You know omnipresence and all that. Do you really think 'following God' is literal?

 

[archaeologist]

you pick one phrase and ignore the rest---typical---

i said be honest.

 

[theFijian]

you pick one phrase and ignore the rest---typical---

i said be honest.

Please address the post and not the poster. This is your favourite debate tactic, throw your hands up in protest about being unfairly dealt with but providing no evidence as basis for your complaint ---typical---

 

[archaeologist]

wow! now you are a moderator---

what that response demonstrates is that such beliefs are a matter of convenience and people refuse to deal with the reality of what God's word is sayig.

 

[Rudolph Hucker]

wow! now you are a moderator---
...

I think the mods here are very reasonable and have allowed you considerable latitude.

Remember when you were a mod, Archie, and twice deleted 90% of your forum?

 

[archaeologist]

well i needed my report button fix and got it with that post.

 

[Gwenyfur]

Enough with the personal remarks!

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