More terrorism uncovered!

[Zoness]

Tbh I think you'll see more of this in the US over time. As Christianity loses its holding in mainstream politics, fringe groups will continue to gain following and possibly turn violent. It's the right combination of the religious intensity combined with Americans' general penchant for violence that distinguishes the transition from the Quiet Revolution in Quebec or the slow drift away from religion in Europe.

 

[smaneck]

Muhammad himself did commit violent acts and lead an army to conquer and destroy.

Good job changing the subject! You said Jesus didn't commit violent act against innocent people. I said Muhammad did not either. Muhammad authorized war against those who persecuted and exiled Muslims. He prohibited the targeting of non-combatants including women children and the elderly.

Now if you just want to say that Muhammad committed violent acts, then so did Jesus.

 

[Hank77]

You interpret the Quran to mean one thing, while the vast majority of Muslims say you are wrong.

As I have said before, I don't have any interpretations of anything in the Quran, I have never read it.
You see the Muslims kept a history of their leader Muhammad, that is all I need to know, how Muhammad lived his life, which I have to assume was by Islam and I'm quite sure Muslims would agree.

These Christians come up with excuse after excuse when they don't want to follow the teachings of Jesus because it would inconvenience them (like selling all their belongings),

Jesus told Christians to sell all their belongings, and give to the poor.

Well if you can explain to me why the Apostles didn't sell all their belonging, house, boats, and give to the poor you might have an argument for your interpretation of a command given to one young man. If you can explain how Peter could tell Ananias that he could have kept his land if he had chosen to, he didn't have to sell it and give the proceeds to the church, then you may have an argument for your interpretation of one single verse.

 

[Hank77]

Good job changing the subject! You said Jesus didn't commit violent act against innocent people. I said Muhammad did not either. Muhammad authorized war against those who persecuted and exiled Muslims. He prohibited the targeting of non-combatants including women children and the elderly.

Now if you just want to say that Muhammad committed violent acts, then so did Jesus.

Not trying to change the subject, I'll rephrase.

Jesus didn't commit violent acts against people. He didn't kill anyone.
Muhammad did. He and his army did.

 

[JGG]

Not trying to change the subject, I'll rephrase.

Jesus didn't commit violent acts against people. He didn't kill anyone.
Muhammad did. He and his army did.

Revelation 19:11-16 - “And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and He that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. And His eyes are a flame of fire, and upon His head are many diadems; and He hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. And He is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure. And out of His mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. And He hath on His garment and on His thigh a name written, King of King, and Lord of Lords"

 

[Hank77]

Revelation 19:11-16 - “And I saw the heaven opened; and behold, a white horse, and He that sat thereon called Faithful and True; and in righteousness He doth judge and make war. And His eyes are a flame of fire, and upon His head are many diadems; and He hath a name written which no one knoweth but he himself. And He is arrayed in a garment sprinkled with blood: and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies which are in heaven followed Him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and pure. And out of His mouth proceedeth a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations: and He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and He treadeth the winepress of the fierceness of the wrath of God, the Almighty. And He hath on His garment and on His thigh a name written, King of King, and Lord of Lords"

And your point is?

 

[JGG]

And your point is?

Warrior Jesus. Smiter of unbelievers.

 

[ecco]

Muhammad authorized war against those who persecuted and exiled Muslims.

My understanding of history is different. Mohammad gained power and territory by waging war across a wide range of targets. If you have anything to substantiate your above comment , I'd like to see it.

Arab warriors were filled with confidence that God destined them for victory. They believed that if they died in battle for God, they would become martyrs, rewarded for eternity in paradise. They did not fear death, which made them fierce fighters. Those Arab warriors who survived battle benefited from the loot, women, and slaves they captured. The caliph was always entitled to one-fifth of the spoils of war.

He prohibited the targeting of non-combatants including women children and the elderly.

In any war, non-combatants die. In wars of the times, women were often taken. If you have anything to substantiate your above comment , I'd like to see it.

 

[Hank77]

Warrior Jesus. Smiter of unbelievers.

And so you believe you understand what of this is literally physically going to happen in the future and what is literally spiritual warfare, what is symbolism, etc.?

And what has that got to do with Jesus' teaching to Christians as to how they are to live their lives on this earth? Or how Jesus, as the Son of Man, lived His life as an example to us? Or how the Apostles lived their lives as an example to us? Son of God/Son of Man. Son of God with all the same authority and power as the Father. Son of Man saying, "Your will Father, not mine." His power came from the Father, from the Holy Spirit. He was tempted just as we are tempted but without sin.

 

[JGG]

And so you believe you understand what of this is literally physically going to happen in the future and what is literally spiritual warfare, what is symbolism, etc.?

It doesn't matter what I think. What matters is those people who want to demonstrate Jesus, Lord of War.

You can claim symbolism, spiritual warfare, analogy or whatever nuance you want. But literally, and without nuance, it says what it says. And while you expect me to read Muslim scripture literally and without nuance, it is only right to read Christian scripture the same way.

 

[stamperben]

Stop Using the Term 'Radicalized' Unless You Apply It to White Christian Extremists, Too

The double standard can't be more jarring: For days television networks and media outlets have been parroting the FBI in telling us how the San Bernadino shooters were "radicalized" at this or that time, or speculating on their "radicalization" and how it occurred. This terminology, when applied exclusively to terrorism inspired by a distortion of Islam, is discriminatory, and furthers the very anti-Muslim bigotry that Donald Trump and much of the GOP presidential field promote. The implication is that there are two kinds of Muslim: Radicalized - even if there's an acknowledgement that they represent a small minority, though often there's no such acknowledgment -- and non-radicalized.

The further implication is that any Muslim can become radicalized if x, y, and z happens -- a trip to Saudi Arabia, a text message with this or that individual, engaging with certain people on a Facebook page, etc. And yet, for several weeks not only have many in the media been reluctant to label Robert Dear, who carried out the Planned Parenthood attack in Colorado Springs, as a terrorist, but there's no discussion of him being "radicalized" by extremist Christianity. He expressed support for the Army of God, a Christian extremist terrorist group that has taken responsibility for the killings of doctors who provide abortions and whose members have killed others in the name of stopping abortion, such as Atlanta Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph, who also bombed a lesbian bar in that city. Dear declared in court yesterday that he is a "warrior for the babies." How much more radicalized can you get?​

 

[Sistrin]

Call it what it is! It IS terrorism!

What terrorist group was he associated with?

 

[stamperben]

What terrorist group was he associated with?

AOG - Army of God. It was in the post right above here.

 

[JustOneWay]

What terrorist group was he associated with?

The two in California were not associated with any terrorist group, yet it was still terrorism....

 

[stamperben]

And are you saying that going into a building and killing people for the cause that killer has isn't terrorism?

 

[JustOneWay]

And are you saying that going into a building and killing people for the cause that killer has isn't terrorism?

They have stricter guidelines for terrorists when something is done in regards to the Bible.

The killers have to scream the preferred name of their God while killing to be a proper terrorist....

 

[Sistrin]

AOG - Army of God. It was in the post right above here.

Malik expressed support for ISIS. That doesn't make her a member of ISIS.

From the article you sourced, quote:

As you may remember, 2009 is the year abortion doctor George Tiller was shot while attending church. It was likely in that context that Dear praised members of the Army of God as “heroes.”

It is just as "likely" he believes Elvis is still alive. And given the same article makes the point Army of God members rarely meet or know what anyone else is doing, how would you prove membership? But it must be so because Christianity.

The two in California were not associated with any terrorist group, yet it was still terrorism....

That is still under investigation. Evidence is surfacing they may have indeed been directly so linked.

 

[Hank77]

It doesn't matter what I think. What matters is those people who want to demonstrate Jesus, Lord of War.

You can claim symbolism, spiritual warfare, analogy or whatever nuance you want. But literally, and without nuance, it says what it says. And while you expect me to read Muslim scripture literally and without nuance, it is only right to read Christian scripture the same way.

I don't expect you to read anything. I don't read the Quran, never have. And I certainly would not try to interpret it even if I read it. Most religious books take years of study to understand and even then without good dictionaries of the original language/s used one is still going to mess things up, sometimes.

Yes, it says what it says. Dreams and visions are rather obscure, good luck with that. Every word is literal but what does it literally mean?
Rev 9:7 And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared for war; and upon their heads as it were crowns like unto gold, and their faces were as men's faces.
Rev 9:8 And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.

I fail to see how Revelation is relevant to how Christ lived and what He taught the Apostles to teach us about how to live our lives. That is what we are talking about you know. Real life, here and now, people dying by terrorism, here and now. That is what Senator King was talking about.

For me it is rather simple when I compare Jesus/Christianity to Muhammad/Islam.
Jesus' life vs Mohammad's life.
Christ-like vs Mohammad-like.
One does not even have to interpret any scriptures from the Bible or the Quran.

Maybe the answer is that Muhammad taught his followers, "Do as I say, not as I do." Is that it?

 

[JGG]

I fail to see how Revelation is relevant to how Christ lived and what He taught the Apostles to teach us about how to live our lives. That is what we are talking about you know. Real life, here and now, people dying by terrorism, here and now. That is what Senator King was talking about.

For me it is rather simple when I compare Jesus/Christianity to Muhammad/Islam.
Jesus' life vs Mohammad's life.
Christ-like vs Mohammad-like.
One does not even have to interpret any scriptures from the Bible or the Quran.

Maybe the answer is that Muhammad taught his followers, "Do as I say, not as I do." Is that it?

So you would agree that Christians, like Christ in Revelation, should bring war to unbelievers? Or are you rejecting the characterization of Christ as a warrior in that book?

 

[Hank77]

So you would agree that Christians, like Christ in Revelation, should bring war to unbelievers? Or are you rejecting the characterization of Christ as a warrior in that book?

Never mind, if I couldn't make myself clear to you in my other posts then I don't care to keep trying. I'm not on a mission.