More terrorism uncovered!

[ecco]

He admitted as much. In April of 1995 he sent a letter to the NYT promising to "desist from terrorism" if they would publish his Manifesto.

On what do you base "Not a Christian"? He believes he is a Christian. He believes he is doing his God's work.

 

[G54]

On what do you base "Not a Christian"? He believes he is a Christian. He believes he is doing his God's work.

If he believed he was from Mars would that make him a Martian?

 

[G54]

His trailer with a cross on it. He considers himself to be a Christian doing god's work to stop the murder of babies.

If you think this man should be able to use a "loon" defense, then you have to allow Muslim terrorists to use that same defense. Is that what you want to believe, anyone who kills in God's name is just a loon?

I think anyone who commits mass murder must be nuts, or possessed, or whatever....but not normal. I'm not saying they should get away from a death sentence because of it though

And putting a cross on your house doesn't make one a Christian.

 

[Hank77]

His trailer with a cross on it. He considers himself to be a Christian doing god's work to stop the murder of babies.

If you think this man should be able to use a "loon" defense, then you have to allow Muslim terrorists to use that same defense. Is that what you want to believe, anyone who kills in God's name is just a loon?

Oh I highly doubt that the loonie defense will work but that doesn't mean he isn't and that doesn't mean ALL people who claim to be a follower of Christ and do bad things are mentally ill.
I would imagine that there are Muslims who are loonie as well, mental illness is not confined to any particular peoples, but that doesn't mean the ALL those who are followers of Muhammad are mentally ill.
Both are terrorists when they do these kinds of things, mentally ill or not, just the cause of their actions maybe be different.

 

[smaneck]

And Hitler claimed that the Aryan race was the "master race."

Both statements can be dismissed as absurd by a preponderance of the evidence, wouldn't you say?

By that logic one should dismiss any notion that ISIS is Islamic.

 

[ecco]

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On what do you base "Not a Christian"? He believes he is a Christian. He believes he is doing his God's work.

If he believed he was from Mars would that make him a Martian?

So, by your profound logic, Muslim Terrorists are neither Muslims nor Terrorists.

So, by your profound logic, just because you believe you are a Christian, that does not make you a Christian.

 

[ecco]

I think anyone who commits mass murder must be nuts, or possessed, or whatever....but not normal. I'm not saying they should get away from a death sentence because of it though

Yet, in this Country, there is such a thing as "legally insane". As far as I know, people who are adjudicated "legally insane" cannot receive the death penalty. You seem to be conflicted.

If you want to label Dear as "nuts", in the legal sense, then you must, logically, extend that same thought process to people who commit mass murder in the name of Allah, or any other god.

And putting a cross on your house doesn't make one a Christian.

It's a pretty good indicator. Why would a non-christian put a cross on his house?
Also, the anti-abortion movement is primarily a Christian cause.

Why is it so hard for you, and many other Christians, to disbelieve that Christians do bad things because of, and in the name of, their Christianity?

How is your argument any different from that of those Muslims who say that "Muslim Terrorists" are not really Muslims and are distorting the faith?

 

[Hank77]

They have been doing this all along but Faux News doesn't listen. Just google Muslim condemnations of terrorism and see how many hits you get.

I wouldn't know what Fox reports, I don't watch it, in fact I don't watch any cable news stations.

By that logic one should dismiss any notion that ISIS is Islamic.

Or that ISIS is Islamic and peace loving people who identify as Muslim are not really Islamic.
Which group, would you say, is more Muhammad-like? Whichever group that is can you give me examples of how they are Muhammad-like?

 

[G54]

OK, I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but I'll try once more. The Bible is clear that not all that think they deserve heaven because they believe they are a Christian will make it there. Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you." As I stated before, you know a tree by its fruit. Dear, the AOG, etc., do not emulate the teachings of Jesus.

Therefore I think it is a safe assumption that just because they say they are Christian, put a cross on their house, carry a Bible, whatever.... does NOT mean they are. Christ did not instruct his followers to commit violent acts against innocent people. I don't know how else to say it.

 

[smaneck]

I wouldn't know what Fox reports, I don't watch it, in fact I don't watch any cable news stations.

Then what are you basing your assertions that Muslims aren't condemning these acts on?

Or that ISIS is Islamic and peace loving people who identify as Muslim are not really Islamic.
Which group, would you say, is more Muhammad-like? Whichever group that is can you give me examples of how they are Muhammad-like?

I wouldn't do that for Islam or Christianity. Much easier to identify which groups aren't like Muhammad or Jesus. But ISIS is about as Islamic as the Taiping Rebellion was Christian.

 

[smaneck]

Christ did not instruct his followers to commit violent acts against innocent people.

And neither did Muhammad.

 

[Hank77]

OK, I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but I'll try once more. The Bible is clear that not all that think they deserve heaven because they believe they are a Christian will make it there. Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you." As I stated before, you know a tree by its fruit. Dear, the AOG, etc., do not emulate the teachings of Jesus.

Therefore I think it is a safe assumption that just because they say they are Christian, put a cross on their house, carry a Bible, whatever.... does NOT mean they are. Christ did not instruct his followers to commit violent acts against innocent people. I don't know how else to say it.

Well said.

 

[Hank77]

And neither did Muhammad.

Muhammad himself did commit violent acts and lead an army to conquer and destroy. Why would his followers not think that they should do the same?

 

[Hank77]

Then what are you basing your assertions that Muslims aren't condemning these acts on?

I never said that. Please tell me in which post I said that?

But ISIS is about as Islamic as the Taiping Rebellion was Christian.

What is ISIS doing that Muhammad didn't do?

 

[Ajax 777]

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[ecco]

OK, I don't know why this is so hard to understand, but I'll try once more. The Bible is clear that not all that think they deserve heaven because they believe they are a Christian will make it there. Jesus will say to them, "I never knew you." As I stated before, you know a tree by its fruit. Dear, the AOG, etc., do not emulate the teachings of Jesus. Therefore I think it is a safe assumption that just because they say they are Christian, put a cross on their house, carry a Bible, whatever.... does NOT mean they are.

What matters is not what you think about AOG and people like Dear. What matters is that AOG and people like Dear truly believe that they are doing god's work.

Christ did not instruct his followers to commit violent acts against innocent people. I don't know how else to say it.

The Crusaders believed that they were doing god's work.

Again, it doesn't matter what you believe. True believers have done many things "In the Name of God".



Also , if you are responding to a post of mine, please reply to that post so that it catches my eye. Thanks.

 

[Black Dog]

You take that out of context. Jesus knew what it was that the rich young man loved most, and what he needed to free himself of to be a better man....money and possesions. In other words, we as Christians need to seek out that which holds us back from better serving Christ, and forsake that burden, whatever it may be. In this man's case it was his riches. Not necessarily an easy task, but one that will ultimately make us even richer in blessings.

And that is exactly what Muslims when people "incorrectly interpret" the Quran.

 

[Black Dog]

Can you expound? Can you tell the whole story of what Jesus said and WHY He told THIS young man to sell his possessions?
What is your interpretation of this event?

My interpretation is that there are a myriad of interpretations of every verse in the bible, and there are people who deeply believe them. The same goes for people interpreting the Quran. You interpret the Quran to mean one thing, while the vast majority of Muslims say you are wrong.

And here I see many Christians on this forum, telling me the words in the bible don't mean what they say, but need "interpreting", and at the same time tell me the words in the Quran must be taken literally.

These Christians come up with excuse after excuse when they don't want to follow the teachings of Jesus because it would inconvenience them (like selling all their belongings), yet insist that every Muslim believes and will follow every word of the Quran, exactly the way it is written.

And you seriously don't see the problem with that? You can't see how hypocritical that is?

 

[Black Dog]

Therefore I think it is a safe assumption that just because they say they are Christian, put a cross on their house, carry a Bible, whatever.... does NOT mean they are. Christ did not instruct his followers to commit violent acts against innocent people. I don't know how else to say it.

That's exactly what Muslims say about the terrorists. Did you convert to Christianity from Islam? Because you sure seem to know the Muslim explanation well.

 

[Black Dog]

Muhammad himself did commit violent acts and lead an army to conquer and destroy. Why would his followers not think that they should do the same?

And as I pointed out earlier, Jesus told Christians to sell all their belongings, and give to the poor. But Christians don't follow that now do they? Of course, they have a myriad of excuses as to why they don't follow the inconvenient parts of Christianity, but those same Christians won't accept it when Muslims do the same thing. Is that following the teachings of Christ?