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[Everlasting33]

Is it possible for you to calm yourself down during all of this and ask your thoughts for proof of the sin? Where does it say in the Bible that breathing out all the way is a sin?

While I understand logic doesn't always work in OCD, perhaps reminding yourself of this can help.

 

[Everlasting33]

"Likewise, someone defeated by religious OCD will keep believing he is guilty and unforgivable, no matter what God, the Bible and pastors say. But no one has to be defeated. Anyone with religious OCD will keep suffering overwhelming feelings of guilt but no one is forced to believe his/her own feelings. It is the nature of this affliction that the feelings will be so strong and persistent that it feels that they must be true. It is ever so easy to cave into the feelings and choose to believe in them, rather than in the power of Christ, but no matter how convincing the feelings are, it is still a choice as to what we believe. Choose life! Choose to cling to faith in the forgiving power of the One who is Life (John 14:6) and gave his life for your every sin."

Scrupulosity: Help when religious obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) causes unwanted blasphemy, profanity, cussing the Holy Spirit or guilt feelings

 

[drummingman]

If i ask myself for proof of sin what comes into my mind is the fact that i may be doing these things with a wrong reason or motive is proof of sin. I tell myself that its lies but i cant always convince myself. Then i feel like i have sinned and then a lot of the times i feel like i have to hold my breath to undo the sin and i will also feel like if i talk when breathing out or if i breath out all the way after having sinned in this way i feel like im sinning that much more.

 

[Everlasting33]

Well, my friend, I will pray for you. I think I have said all I can. I do not totally understand the illness you are facing but you are in my prayers. Look over those websites and try your best to accept and relax. It isn't easy, I know, but try, try, try!

 

[drummingman]

"Likewise, someone defeated by religious OCD will keep believing he is guilty and unforgivable, no matter what God, the Bible and pastors say. But no one has to be defeated. Anyone with religious OCD will keep suffering overwhelming feelings of guilt but no one is forced to believe his/her own feelings. It is the nature of this affliction that the feelings will be so strong and persistent that it feels that they must be true. It is ever so easy to cave into the feelings and choose to believe in them, rather than in the power of Christ, but no matter how convincing the feelings are, it is still a choice as to what we believe. Choose life! Choose to cling to faith in the forgiving power of the One who is Life (John 14:6) and gave his life for your every sin."

Scrupulosity: Help when religious obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD) causes unwanted blasphemy, profanity, cussing the Holy Spirit or guilt feelings

I really do strive to believe that i have not sinned but the thoughts and feelings are overwhelmingly strong at times. I plan to read that link for your post here.

 

[drummingman]

Well, my friend, I will pray for you. I think I have said all I can. I do not totally understand the illness you are facing but you are in my prayers. Look over those websites and try your best to accept and relax. It isn't easy, I know, but try, try, try!

I do thank you for your thoughts and prayers. Its not that i dont want to listen to your advice, i just get things in my mind that make me feel like i cant believe that im not sinning with my breathing and talking while breathing out. I am disparate for help as is.

 

[Everlasting33]

I understand. I certainly don't take it personal...I know its a tough battle and struggle for you. However, keep up the good fight and dwell on God's love and redemption.

 

[drummingman]

God has worked through my mom in a MAJOR way tonight. After talking with her about my struggles i feel 100% better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God has worked through my mom a LOT over the months and years to help me.

 

[seajoy]

God has worked through my mom in a MAJOR way tonight. After talking with her about my struggles i feel 100% better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God has worked through my mom a LOT over the months and years to help me.

Wonderful!

 

[drummingman]

Thanks seajoy!

I am still having some struggles with my breathing that is still causing me discomfort and tension in my chest but it is a lot better. I do ask that you please keep praying for me.

 

[annrobert]

Hi drummingman,
I am very sorry that you have been going through this.It is wonderful that your mom was able to help you so much.I was thinking since it was Jesus who gave us breath and breathed breath into Adam, it might help to remeber that in the bible it says let everything that hath breath praise the Lord.So struggling to not have breath would make it very hard to praise the Lord.There is no wrong motive or reason to breathe,none at all.We were given the breath of life by Jesus so that we can live and breathe and praise the Lord,there is never a wrong reason or motive to breathe,we are just doing what our bodies are created to do.Maybe a couple of times a day take several deep breaths and give thanks to Jesus that He gave you life and breath.The bible says let everything that hath breath praise the Lord,so you need to be breathing to praise the Lord ,especially if you praise the Lord in song,you will need to be breathing nice and deep,God gave us lungs to breathe with and doing what our bodies are made to do is natural,there is never ever a wrong reason or motive to breath in or out fully.That is a gift from God.take care drummingman and I hope you continue to get more and more well and stronger in this and all things
blessings
annrobert

 

[drummingman]

Thank you ann for a great post!

 

[drummingman]

I am wroking to believe that when i get the thoughts that tell me that im sinning by breathing out all the way with a wrong rteason or motove that its just lies. I just keep getting it into my mind that when i breath out im doing it with a wrong reason or motive amd sinning. Its still really effecting my breathing.

When I breath out all the way and the thoughts come telling me that i breathed out all the way with a wrong reason or motive i have a very hard time not believing it. I get afraid that i did breath out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and i get afraid that i sinned by breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive. What is the right thing to do when this happens?

This is the hardest battle that i have gone through for months. Its making me miserable. With all of my heart i want to get better from this but i just keep feeling like im sinning. And once i feel like i sinned by breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive its almost impossible to overcome that feeling. Im striving with everything in me to not get convinced that i have breathed out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and sinned, but i keep feeling like i have breathed out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and sinned. I am completely focues on my breathing at all times. Im desperate to overcome this.

I keep talking with my mom about this and she keeps telling me not to believe the lies. And i also keep telling myself that these thoughts and feelings are just lies. But i just cant hold on to that. If i just go to breath in a natural way i get it in my mind that i dont care that im sinning. And then i feel like i have to show that i do care and then i start breathing all messed up again cause i feel like i have to to show that i care how im breathing and to show that i care about sinning. What is the right thing to do here that allows me to hold on to the truth that i care about sinning without having to breath in a tormenting fashion? How can i be sure that i have not breathed out with a wrong reason or motive and sinned when i feel like thats what i did and when i get thoughts that thats what i did?

Please dont get sick of me talking about this. I dont mean to keep saying the same things over and over again, but i just am stuck in this situation. Its tormenting me.

 

[seajoy]

Breathe out all the way as much as possible. Ignore the thought that you are sinning. Let the anxiety pass as you do this, then go on with doing something else - or thinking about something else.

Like I said - breathe out all the way.....keep doing it. God knows you aren't sinning....it's all ocd. The more you breathe out all the way, the less this will bother you. The more you try and stop it, the worse you will feel. You can do this.

 

[annrobert]

Hi drummingman,

I am wroking to believe that when i get the thoughts that tell me that im sinning by breathing out all the way with a wrong rteason or motove that its just lies. I just keep getting it into my mind that when i breath out im doing it with a wrong reason or motive amd sinning. Its still really effecting my breathing.

When I breath out all the way and the thoughts come telling me that i breathed out all the way with a wrong reason or motive i have a very hard time not believing it. I get afraid that i did breath out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and i get afraid that i sinned by breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive. What is the right thing to do when this happens?

If it was me I would tell myself ,I WILL BREATHE THE WAY GOD CREATED ME TO BREATHE, I would tell myself this emphatically over and over again.I would tell myself this is the natural way I was created to breathe and I would give thanks to Jesus for the breathe of life .I would intentionally breathe in and out all the way several times while stating emphatically to myself THERE IS NO WRONG MOTIVE OR REASON FOR BREATHING IN OR OUT ALL THE WAY,this is what I was created to do.I would then begin thanking Jesus for the breathe of life and the way He made me while intentionally breathing in and out all the way .I would emphatically tell my mind and body to submit to the truth.God said let everything that has breath praise the Lord,you need your breath to do this.Relax drummingman, give yourself permission to relax and rest in Jesus , whose burden is easy and light.You do not have to suffer like this Drummingman.You are safe in Jesus,you belong to Jesus.I hope this helps you some.I am not a counsellor or doctor or anything, this is just what I would do for myself,I was scared at times to breathe in for similiar reasons and I had to talk to myself and reason with myself.I do not want to see you suffer and I know you will overcome this.
Jesus Bless You
annrobert

This is the hardest battle that i have gone through for months. Its making me miserable. With all of my heart i want to get better from this but i just keep feeling like im sinning. And once i feel like i sinned by breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive its almost impossible to overcome that feeling. Im striving with everything in me to not get convinced that i have breathed out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and sinned, but i keep feeling like i have breathed out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and sinned. I am completely focues on my breathing at all times. Im desperate to overcome this.

I keep talking with my mom about this and she keeps telling me not to believe the lies. And i also keep telling myself that these thoughts and feelings are just lies. But i just cant hold on to that. If i just go to breath in a natural way i get it in my mind that i dont care that im sinning. And then i feel like i have to show that i do care and then i start breathing all messed up again cause i feel like i have to to show that i care how im breathing and to show that i care about sinning. What is the right thing to do here that allows me to hold on to the truth that i care about sinning without having to breath in a tormenting fashion? How can i be sure that i have not breathed out with a wrong reason or motive and sinned when i feel like thats what i did and when i get thoughts that thats what i did?

Please dont get sick of me talking about this. I dont mean to keep saying the same things over and over again, but i just am stuck in this situation. Its tormenting me.

 

[drummingman]

Thank you both for your posts!

I have bee telling myself that whats comming at me is just lies and that i need to overcome the lies and that i need to not believe the lies.

One thing that i keep doing though that i need to overcome is this thing i do with my mouth when i breath out all the way in a natural way. I keep pulling my mouth down when i get the thoughts that im sinning when i let myself breath out all the way in a natural way. I think that im doing this to overcome the thoughts that im sinning but i do it a lot because i keep getting thoughts that im sinning when i breath out all the way in a natural way.

Its like there is a hump in my breathing that i pass over when i breath out all the way in a natural way. When i pass over this hump is when i get thoughts that im sinning by passing over this hump. This keeps me from being able to just be totally ok because each timer i pass over that hump it causes me to deal with the thoughts that work to make me feel like im sinning.

Let me ask all of you this question. I am striving very hard to overcome this battle on my breathing. It preoccupies my thoughts almost all the time. From what i can tell not believing the lies that are comming into my mind about my breathing and overcomming the lies that are comming into my mind about my breathing is the number 1 way to overcome this battle. I have to keep working to believe that im not sinning when i breath out all the way in a natural way. The thing is that when it hits me real hard that i have sinned when i breathed out all the way in a natural way it throws me into this insanely hard battle and then i start working to convince myself that i have not sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way. At time i can convince myself that i have not sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way and at times i cant. When im not able to convince myself that i have not sinned i start telling myself that the Lord will forgive me if i did breath out all the way in a natural way with a wrong reason or motive. But then what comes into my mind is this, "if you just sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way how can you be sure that everytime that you breath out all the way in a natural way your not sinning?". This can then put my in the cycle where i might start feeling like im sinning all the time when i breath out all the way in a natural way. Im sure that the right thing to do is not believe any of these things that come into my mind about my breathing telling me that i breathed out all the way in a natural way with a wrong reason or motive when i breathed out all the way in a natural way. My question is: how can i hold to the belief that i did not sin in any way by breathing out all the way in a natural way when it comes to me insanely hard that i did sin by breathing out all the way in a natural way? And how can i hold to the belief that im not sinning in any way when im breathing out all the way in a natural way when it comes into my mind telling me that i am sinning when im breathing out all the way in a natural way?

At times believing that i have not sinned in any way when i have breathed out all the way in a natiral way takes all of my strength. And at times believing that im not sinning in any way when i am breathing out all the way in a natural way takes all of my strength. Seajoy, you told me that the more i breath out all the way the less this will bother me. I believe that you are right, but how do i cope in a good way when it comes to me that i sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive? and how can i cope in a good way when it comes to me that i am sinning by breathing out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive? I ask because the stress and fear that i have sinned by having breathed out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive and the fear that i am sinning by breating out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive can be overwhelming.

It also come to me at times that i have to prep myself telling myself that i have to not believe the lies that are comming into my mind before i can not believe the lies that are comming into my mind. And it also comes to me that at times i have to prep myself telling myself that i have to overcome the lies that are comming into my mind before i can overcome the lies that are comming into my mind. I dont believe there is any truth in this and this does not happen all the time but when it does happen it can cause me a little bit of a problem because then i may feel like i have to prep myself before i can breath out all the way in a natural way. when this happens this can be a hard battle on me as well because i will be striving to say these things to myself before i breath out all the way in a natural way which can be very hard.

Thank you all for continuing to read this thread and thank you all for continuing to help me by posting in this thread.

 

[seajoy]

DM....I need to think on your question and pray about it in church this morning. I have good feelings about His answer.

 

[drummingman]

Things have been MUCH better over the last 3 or 4 hours. But i feel it working to come back on me to be honest.

 

[seajoy]

Things have been MUCH better over the last 3 or 4 hours. But i feel it working to come back on me to be honest.

Glad it's been better. Keep up the good work.

Remember....when you breathe all the way out, it doesn't matter what kind of thought you are having at that time. Christ died for all our thoughts, and any sins we may do, say, or think. Breathe all the way out as much as you can. It will help it not feel so awful the more times that you do it. It doesn't matter what thought you are having...just breathe. Trust me.

 

[annrobert]

Thank you both for your posts!

I have bee telling myself that whats comming at me is just lies and that i need to overcome the lies and that i need to not believe the lies.

Disredard the lies,do not try to kick them out just disregard them.If you were going on a walk and came to logs or big rocks in your paths,you do not need to move them you walk around them or step over them you do not need to move them or pretend they are not there.Just the same you do not need to move these thoughts or pretend they are not there just step over them or walk around them.I.E disregard them and choose to breathe in and out anyway , keep on your path , keep breathing the way you were created to breathe , and remind yourself there is no wrong reason or motive to breathe the way you were created to breathe and choose to praise the Lord as the bible says let everything that hath breathe praise the Lord.The way to step over obstacles in your path is to try try to move a huge log or rock,nor to pretend it is not there ,the answer is to step over or walk around all obstacles you do that by choosing to honor Jesus by breathing the way He created you to breathe ,praising Him and thanking Him for the breath of life and giving you lungs and just stepping over the lies.

One thing that i keep doing though that i need to overcome is this thing i do with my mouth when i breath out all the way in a natural way. I keep pulling my mouth down when i get the thoughts that im sinning when i let myself breath out all the way in a natural way. I think that im doing this to overcome the thoughts that im sinning but i do it a lot because i keep getting thoughts that im sinning when i breath out all the way in a natural way.
This is almost the same as trying to move a huge rock or log in your path,remember yopu do not have to do that walk around it or step over it naturally,you do not have to reason with the rocks or logs asking them to go or pretending they are not there ,just step over them or walk around them.pulling your mouth down will not move the rocks or logs,so just step over them or walk around them.

Its like there is a hump in my breathing that i pass over when i breath out all the way in a natural way. When i pass over this hump is when i get thoughts that im sinning by passing over this hump. This keeps me from being able to just be totally ok because each timer i pass over that hump it causes me to deal with the thoughts that work to make me feel like im sinning.
The hump in your breathing is a rock or log,it is normal and wise to step over it,you do not have to deal with or reason with the log or rock.step over it or walk around it and breathe normally in a healthy way.Trying to reason with a log or rock just slows you up on your walk.

Let me ask all of you this question. I am striving very hard to overcome this battle on my breathing. It preoccupies my thoughts almost all the time. From what i can tell not believing the lies that are comming into my mind about my breathing and overcomming the lies that are comming into my mind about my breathing is the number 1 way to overcome this battle. I have to keep working to believe that im not sinning when i breath out all the way in a natural way. The thing is that when it hits me real hard that i have sinned when i breathed out all the way in a natural way it throws me into this insanely hard battle and then i start working to convince myself that i have not sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way. At time i can convince myself that i have not sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way and at times i cant. When im not able to convince myself that i have not sinned i start telling myself that the Lord will forgive me if i did breath out all the way in a natural way with a wrong reason or motive. But then what comes into my mind is this, "if you just sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way how can you be sure that everytime that you breath out all the way in a natural way your not sinning?". This can then put my in the cycle where i might start feeling like im sinning all the time when i breath out all the way in a natural way. Im sure that the right thing to do is not believe any of these things that come into my mind about my breathing telling me that i breathed out all the way in a natural way with a wrong reason or motive when i breathed out all the way in a natural way. My question is: how can i hold to the belief that i did not sin in any way by breathing out all the way in a natural way when it comes to me insanely hard that i did sin by breathing out all the way in a natural way? And how can i hold to the belief that im not sinning in any way when im breathing out all the way in a natural way when it comes into my mind telling me that i am sinning when im breathing out all the way in a natural way?
Remind yourself not to reason with rocks or logs in your path,step over them.

At times believing that i have not sinned in any way when i have breathed out all the way in a natiral way takes all of my strength. And at times believing that im not sinning in any way when i am breathing out all the way in a natural way takes all of my strength. Seajoy, you told me that the more i breath out all the way the less this will bother me. I believe that you are right, but how do i cope in a good way when it comes to me that i sinned by breathing out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive? and how can i cope in a good way when it comes to me that i am sinning by breathing out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive? I ask because the stress and fear that i have sinned by having breathed out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive and the fear that i am sinning by breating out all the way in a natural way for a wrong reason or motive can be overwhelming.

it would indeed be overwhelming to move huge rocks and logs in your path so a person needs to step over them or walk around them.

It also come to me at times that i have to prep myself telling myself that i have to not believe the lies that are comming into my mind before i can not believe the lies that are comming into my mind. And it also comes to me that at times i have to prep myself telling myself that i have to overcome the lies that are comming into my mind before i can overcome the lies that are comming into my mind. I dont believe there is any truth in this and this does not happen all the time but when it does happen it can cause me a little bit of a problem because then i may feel like i have to prep myself before i can breath out all the way in a natural way. when this happens this can be a hard battle on me as well because i will be striving to say these things to myself before i breath out all the way in a natural way which can be very hard.

You do not have to prepare yourself to step over or walk around a log or rock,just do it when the time comes.

Thank you all for continuing to read this thread and thank you all for continuing to help me by posting in this thread.

These are just some ideas I have Drumming man ,I am not a doctor or counsellor or anything,just a person with problems myself.I hope this helps you out some.
Blessings
annrobert