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[drummingman]

I will check out that site for sure (i missed that it was a link before)

For me it is just hard to say to myself that the fear of sinning is no big deal. I have been striving to believe that its just the ocd causing all of this but its very hard because i just keep feeling like i am sinning when i breath out all the way. And i feel like i have to prep myself at times before i breath out convincing myself it just the ocd. when i feel like i have to prep myself if i breath out before i do prep myself i fear that i have sinned by breathing out all the way.

A lot of this stuff happens a lot. if i breath out all the way 5 times this stuff comes like 3 out of 5 times. Imagine how many times a person breaths out in a minute and then imagine that over half of those times you feel like your doing something wrong. And this is how it has been hour after hour for the last day and a half to 2 days.

 

[Everlasting33]

I will check out that site for sure (i missed that it was a link before)

For me it is just hard to say to myself that the fear of sinning is no big deal. I have been striving to believe that its just the ocd causing all of this but its very hard because i just keep feeling like i am sinning when i breath out all the way. And i feel like i have to prep myself at times before i breath out convincing myself it just the ocd. when i feel like i have to prep myself if i breath out before i do prep myself i fear that i have sinned by breathing out all the way.

A lot of this stuff happens a lot. if i breath out all the way 5 times this stuff comes like 3 out of 5 times. Imagine how many times a person breaths out in a minute and then imagine that over half of those times you feel like your doing something wrong. And this is how it has been hour after hour for the last day and a half to 2 days.

I feel sad listening to this suffering that is caused by your thoughts. And I wish you could be free of the self-affliction.

The challenge is to believe that you are not sinning. Remember that the reason why you keep believing its a sin is because of your OCD...so in fact, the very motivation of your belief is based on disorder and anxiety.

It's always easier said than done. We can read all the advice in the world about OCD and it doesn't always help us. But keep working at it and give yourself a break..this is tough on you and make sure you get plenty of rest.

 

[drummingman]

The challenge is to believe that you are not sinning. Remember that the reason why you keep believing its a sin is because of your OCD...so in fact, the very motivation of your belief is based on disorder and anxiety.

I was thinking about this as well and i was wondering, If i think that its a sin to breath out all the way and then i do it is it still a sin because i believe that it is or it not a sin because in reality its not? I believe that its not a sin because in reality it is not. Do you agree? But then my disorder starts working to make me think that im wrong.

 

[Everlasting33]

I was thinking about this as well and i was wondering, If i think that its a sin to breath out all the way and then i do it is it still a sin because i believe that it is or it not a sin because in reality its not? I believe that its not a sin because in reality it is not. Do you agree?

How would it be a sin to breath out all the way? Does Scripture support this? Do you have any suspicion that this thinking is linked to OCD?

 

[drummingman]

The way that it gets me is that i get it in my mind that im breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and that that is how im sinning.

 

[Everlasting33]

The way that it gets me is that i get it in my mind that im breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive and that that is how im sinning.

Right, I understand.

What would happen if you let these thoughts go and say, "its ok...just another one of those thoughts."

You may say that you are still sinning but challenge this by asking: where is the proof? Where does it say this in the Bible?

God knows everything about you. He knows you struggle with this. I am certain that all the thoughts attributed to OCD he understands and is compassionate toward. And He wants you to breathe out fully since that is what he did to make Adam!

 

[drummingman]

Thanks for your thoughts and help steeler! Things have been better thank God!

 

[seajoy]

Thanks for your thoughts and help steeler! Things have been better thank God!

Glad to hear that you feel a bit better. This is sure a tough illness. You can recover....I have great confidence in God's desire for you to live a normal life.

 

[drummingman]

Thanks seajoy.
I have had a rough time today. It now also attacking me talking when i breath out working to make me feel like im sinning when i talk when i breah out making me feel like im talking when i breath out with a wrong reason or motive. And im still being attacked on feeling like im sinning when i breath out all the way because of feeling like im breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive.

Im going out for a bit but when i come back i will post some more. Please keep praying for me cause this is really causing me a lot of suffering.

 

[drummingman]

I am still getting hammered. Not only am i still gettin thoughts that im breathing out all the way with a wrong reason or motive but now im also getting it into my mind that when i talk with breathing out that im doing that with a wrong reason or motive. This has made saying things hard at times.

I have been told to ignore all of this and that its just my ocd, but each time i go to breath out all the way and a lot of the times when i go to talking while breathing out i feel like im sinning because of doing these things with a wrong reason or motive. This kicking my butt hard and i really need some help.

 

[Everlasting33]

Don't ignore..accept...say to your thoughts, "its ok your here..."

When you say to yourself, "oh gosh...here are those thoughts again? What will I do?" you are only becoming more and more anxious.

 

[drummingman]

Don't ignore..accept...say to your thoughts, "its ok your here..."

When you say to yourself, "oh gosh...here are those thoughts again? What will I do?" you are only becoming more and more anxious.

But is not the goal to ignore the thoughts as well to be able to beat the thoughts.

 

[Everlasting33]

But is not the goal to ignore the thoughts as well to be able to beat the thoughts.

Personally, I find trying to ignore in the same category as trying to resist. Acceptance is best. With acceptance, the thoughts will lose their grip and power so the need to ignore isn't so necessary.

 

[drummingman]

I guess its just hard for me to understand. If i accept it im not sure how that will help me to overcome the attacks thats comming at me.

 

[Everlasting33]

were you able to read the website? It explains it very well.

Accept:

1 a : to receive willingly <accept a gift>

Pushing it away has made it stronger. Resisting it has made it stronger. Hating it has made it stronger.

While its normal and natural to do all of these things, it isn't helping. While its not easy to do the opposite of what you have been doing for so long, it's crucial to accept.

The best quote to summarize this is:

We cannot change anything until we accept it. Condemnation does not liberate, it oppresses.
~Carl Jung

 

[drummingman]

I think that i can say "here comes the thoughts again", but that does not seem to help me. Its because i feel like im sinning when i do the things that i talked about. Thats what is getting me, I just am not able to keep believing that im not sinning and that is killing me.

 

[Everlasting33]

Are OCD thoughts a sin?

 

[drummingman]

Its not the thoughts that are sin. But if i am doing these things with a wrong reason or motive that may be sin. And that is what keeps comming in my mind causing me torment.

I really have to figure out a way to get through this fast because i really suffering.

 

[Everlasting33]

So, what is giving you the most anxiety: the motives or the thoughts?

 

[drummingman]

Im not sure because they are tied together. The thoughts come with feelings that tell me and make me feel like i have sinned by doing these thing with a wrong reason or motive. And then i feel like i have sinned.