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[drummingman]

last night i said something about breathing to myself. that started me feeling like everytime i breath out in a certain way i get it in my mind that im breathing out with a wrong reason or motive. this happens everytime i breath out in a certain way. this is keeping me from breathing out in a way that that allows my body to rest.
i believe that what i need to believe is that this is my ocd telling me that each time i breath out in a certain way that im doing it with a wrong reason or motive. but im getting battled hard in my mind on this.
feel free to post your thoughts.

 

[keryakos]

has youre doctor talked to you about anti psychotic meds

 

[drummingman]

i have taken one of those before and i dont remember it helping me that much.
this is the second physical type of problem that i have had over like the last month. this breathing problem is a real struggle because of what its doing in my mind and body.
i could really use help with this problem. if any of you all have any thoughts please post them. thanks.

 

[drummingman]

im still really struggling with breathing. if you have any thoughts that you think may help me please post them.

 

[drummingman]

Does no one have any thoughts? I will be honest in saying that im really struggling and could use some help.

 

[keryakos]

Does no one have any thoughts? I will be honest in saying that im really struggling and could use some help.

Alright first of all i was saying it wasnt real it very much is real .i have not had the same thoughts but i have had seen other posts which have similar thoughts ..

do you mind if i think about this and post again later this evening

 

[drummingman]

sure.
Im still really struggling with breathing to the point where it is making my chest hurt. I just cant shake the feeling that im sinning when i breath out fully. This is making me hold my breath in and its making me have to breath out very shallow.

 

[drummingman]

I am really struggling with the my breathing. I really need prayer and help.

 

[SoldierOfSoul]

Your not sinning brother...just try to think about Gods love for you and not the compulsion, God does'nt think it is a sin, so why should you? You will get through this bro don't worry, God is there with you, He understands your illness, I pray God will give you some relief..God bless you my friend!

 

[drummingman]

Thank you soldier.

 

[drummingman]

I am really suffering with this breathing thing. I am working hard to overcome the feelings and thoughts that when i breath out all the way im sinning. As hard as i have been striving to overcome these thoughts i just keep getting hammered with thoughts and feelings that im sinning when i breath out all the way.
What can i do to overcome this?

 

[seajoy]

DM, you have ocd, and it causes you to think things that are not set in reality. God gave us our breath, of course, He wants us to breath. You are probably also having anxiety attacks which causes one to think they can't breathe. So I think you have a couple of things going on here.

Please get on some anti-anxiety meds. Talk to a doctor today. When your breathing is bothering you, just say "Oh well, I'm breathing" then go on with your day. Do not concentrate on your breathing....keep busy. Do not take back what you just said with the "oh well". Let the anxiety pass and move on. This worked for me. It's what cured my ocd.

God bless,
seajoy

 

[Everlasting33]

Drumming man,

Sorry to hear you are struggling so much. I will pray to God for peace and joy to fill your soul. I will pray that you will be comforted and that you will know that God loves you and you are not condemned. That you are accepted just the way you are.

OCD can have both mental and physical abnormalities. Thinking a thought (breathing out with a wrong motive) only causes more anxiety and obsession and then you feel worse. So, it's a cycle and a chain reaction that can feel very overwhelming, confusing, and frustrating.

Here is a very helpful excerpt from a website I recently found:

"decide to accept your obsessions instead of resist them. This is the toughest of all four, and it is the most important. This one is the basis of all the self-help interventions we'll talk about. Because the more you resist your obsessions, the stronger they become. It's as though your solution to the problem actually increases the problem. You resist the symptom, and it persists. So you need a new inner voice that says, "It's OK that I'm obsessing right now." This is not saying, "it's OK in the next 20 minutes to do it"; it's not saying, "I'm going to continue to do it." But I am asking you to say, "It's OK that I just had that thought." I know that sounds like a crazy thing to say. You are trying desperately to rid yourself of these terrible thoughts, and I instructing you to accept them! Accepting the obsession generally looks like a bad idea to people.
But what's the other choice? The other choice is to say, "It's terrible that I had that thought." And what's the reaction that you're going to have physiologically when you make that statement? That statement's going to produce more anxiety."
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder What to do During Obsessing

Realizing your thoughts on your breathing is simply an obsession, recognize this and say, "there it is again...I know what's going on...its just a thought about breathing.."

Since hyping up all of our thoughts seems to be detrimental, why not try to downplay it?

Distracting yourself can also be a great way to relieve discomfort.

I hope this helps!

 

[drummingman]

DM, you have ocd, and it causes you to think things that are not set in reality. God gave us our breath, of course, He wants us to breath. You are probably also having anxiety attacks which causes one to think they can't breathe. So I think you have a couple of things going on here.

Please get on some anti-anxiety meds. Talk to a doctor today. When your breathing is bothering you, just say "Oh well, I'm breathing" then go on with your day. Do not concentrate on your breathing....keep busy. Do not take back what you just said with the "oh well". Let the anxiety pass and move on. This worked for me. It's what cured my ocd.

God bless,
seajoy

Thanks Seajoy for yor thoughts.

I think that the main reason why im having chest pain is because im holding my breath and not allowing myself to breath out all the way all the time. I really struggle with feeling like im sinning at times when i breath out all the way. This does not happen all the time but when it does it has a bad effect on me. Its like there is a hump in my breathing cycle, when i get to that hump in my breathing im afraid to go over that hump because of thoughts and feelings in my mind that makes me feel like im sinning when i go ovber that hump in my breathing. This does not happen all the time but it happens enough to cause me to have chest tension and pain at times.

Im on meds for my ocd, clomipramine 250 mill a day. It helps but it is by no means a cure.

 

[drummingman]

The thing is that i will get it into my mind when i breath out all the way that im doing it with a wrong reason or motive. This makes me feel and think that i am sinning, or have sinned, when i breath out all the way. A lot of the times when i just breath all the way out the bad thoughts intensify which makes me feel like im doing something wrong when i breath out all the way. Im sitting here right now with tension in my chest because im not letting myself breath out all the time. Im in pain right now in my chest because im afraid to fully let all the air out of my lungs.

I have also been getting the thoughts and feelings that if i sin in any way in relation to my breathing that i have to breath in deep and hold my breat to undo my sin.

I find it interesting that the quote that you gave me said that the more i resist the obsession the stronger it becomes. Its very hard for me not to resist the obession because when i go to breath out all the way i get thoughts and feelings that im sinning when i breath out all the way. Because of this im afraid to breath out all the way, and when i go to breath out all the way at times the blasphemous thoughts intensify and this makes me breath in a lot of the times to not let the bad thoughts come. Between stopping myself from breathing out when bad thoughts come and holding my breath because of these feelings that im going to be sinning when i breath all the way out thats why i am getting pain and tension in my chest. When i get bad thoughts when i breath out a lot of the times i feel like i have to breath in and hold my breath to undo the bad thoughts that i get when i am breathing out.

The goal is to be able to just say "thats just the ocd and i dont have to listen to it" but doing this is VERY hard to do at times. I have to be able to do this because of the pain that im in with my chest hurting. It feels like im in a type of crises and i am dealing with fear because im afraid to breath out all the way all the time because of fear that im going to be sinning when i breath out all the way and because at times the blasphemous will intensify when i go to breath out all the way. I really have to find a way to overcome this because it is VERY VERY hard on me physically and mentally and emotionally (i cant emphasize enough).


When it comes to distracting myself from my breathing i feel like i am doing something wrong most times if i distract myself and then allow myself to breath in that way. This is why i was having somewhat of a difficult time falling asleep this morning.

This is one of the hardest battles i have been in in a good while. If you all will please keep praying for me and talking to me until i get through this. Please keep giving your thoughts.

Drumming man,

Sorry to hear you are struggling so much. I will pray to God for peace and joy to fill your soul. I will pray that you will be comforted and that you will know that God loves you and you are not condemned. That you are accepted just the way you are.

OCD can have both mental and physical abnormalities. Thinking a thought (breathing out with a wrong motive) only causes more anxiety and obsession and then you feel worse. So, it's a cycle and a chain reaction that can feel very overwhelming, confusing, and frustrating.

Here is a very helpful excerpt from a website I recently found:

"decide to accept your obsessions instead of resist them. This is the toughest of all four, and it is the most important. This one is the basis of all the self-help interventions we'll talk about. Because the more you resist your obsessions, the stronger they become. It's as though your solution to the problem actually increases the problem. You resist the symptom, and it persists. So you need a new inner voice that says, "It's OK that I'm obsessing right now." This is not saying, "it's OK in the next 20 minutes to do it"; it's not saying, "I'm going to continue to do it." But I am asking you to say, "It's OK that I just had that thought." I know that sounds like a crazy thing to say. You are trying desperately to rid yourself of these terrible thoughts, and I instructing you to accept them! Accepting the obsession generally looks like a bad idea to people.
But what's the other choice? The other choice is to say, "It's terrible that I had that thought." And what's the reaction that you're going to have physiologically when you make that statement? That statement's going to produce more anxiety."
Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder What to do During Obsessing

Realizing your thoughts on your breathing is simply an obsession, recognize this and say, "there it is again...I know what's going on...its just a thought about breathing.."

Since hyping up all of our thoughts seems to be detrimental, why not try to downplay it?

Distracting yourself can also be a great way to relieve discomfort.

I hope this helps!

 

[Everlasting33]

The quote I gave you said that resisting the obsessions makes it worse...which you can agree on.

Resisting has only made it so much worse. I will pray that you will have the peace and strength to accept the obsession.

Remember that acceptance does not mean the obsession is ok or that you like it. Acceptance means to take into account or to acknowledge. Acknowledge the obsession and allow it to pass you by...like you are watching it fly past you.

Engage in a hobby. Engage in something fun or exciting. Do what you have to do to keep busy and occupy your mind.

Accept. Let the thought pass you by...accept.

 

[drummingman]

I think i can see how resisting the obession has made it worse. But i have thought that when i fight the thoughts that im doing the right thing. But From what therapy books i have read, and from what you have told me, it seems that fighting the thoughts doing the obsessions has made the thoughts and obsessions worse. Would you say im right on this steeler? Also, What is the best way to deal with the thoughts that tell me that im sinning when i breath all the way out? From what i can tell the right thing to do is just understand that its just my OCD lying to me and then overcome it. Do you think im right on this?

And being that i feel like im sinning and doing something wrong at times when i distract myself from this obsession about my breathing what do you think i should do about that?

Thanks for all your help!

 

[Everlasting33]

I think i can see how resisting the obession has made it worse. But i have thought that when i fight the thoughts that im doing the right thing. But From what therapy books i have read, and from what you have told me, it seems that fighting the thoughts doing the obsessions has made the thoughts and obsessions worse. Would you say im right on this steeler? Also, What is the best way to deal with the thoughts that tell me that im sinning when i breath all the way out? From what i can tell the right thing to do is just understand that its just my OCD lying to me and then overcome it. Do you think im right on this?

And being that i feel like im sinning and doing something wrong at times when i distract myself from this obsession about my breathing what do you think i should do about that?

Thanks for all your help!

I know you must be very tired by all of this struggling, but don't stop believing in peace! God loves you!

I have never suffered from severe OCD, but I do have OCD tendencies. What helps me is two things. One is challenging the thought and another is accepting the thought.

I'll take your example: Challenging the thought,

Who says I am sinning when I breath all the way out? How do I know this voice is right? Whose to say that its all silliness and doesn't apply?

Casting doubt on my obsessions helps me.

Secondly: Accepting the thought,

"I have this obsession right now. It is certainly unpleasant but its just a thought. I will let it pass me by. It's OK and I understand why I have these thoughts."

For some reason, I picture myself in space on top of a flying rock. I see my obsessive thought fly right past me while I continue forward. This visualization generally helps me with obsessive thoughts.

Challenging, not fighting, obsessive thoughts can be beneficial. I know what helps and works for me and I want to pass along this information.

 

[drummingman]

Im striving to believe that all of this is just my ocd. It can just be hard when i breath out all the way and then i feel like i have done something wrong. Its being able to consistently say its just the ocd and being able to fully believe it.

Im still dealing with fear about breathing all the way out because a lot of the times when i do i get the thoughts that im sinning. Its just real hard to overcome that lie.

 

[Everlasting33]

Im striving to believe that all of this is just my ocd. It can just be hard when i breath out all the way and then i feel like i have done something wrong. Its being able to consistently say its just the ocd and being able to fully believe it.

Im still dealing with fear about breathing all the way out because a lot of the times when i do i get the thoughts that im sinning. Its just real hard to overcome that lie.

i know its hard for you. It isn't easy, by any means, to overcome something as frustrating, confusing, and painful as OCD. But, with God's help and lots of hard work, we will begin to see a difference.

If you haven't, take a look at the suggestions on that website I posted. They have some creative ideas such as singing away your obsessions and writing them down.

when I have an obsession, I will say outloud (while shrugging), "oh,well..just the way it is." (in a very laidback, and non caring tone) and the obsessive thought is almost literally saying, "what?...you don't care?!" and I instantly feel the power being sucked away from it.

pretty neat!