More misconceptions - do they ever actually listen to us?

[Vance]

Happy Birthday Godsaves!

That bit reminds me of a line in a movie where the girl tells the guy something like "you are the most arrogant man in the world" and he replies "well, that is just silly, have you MET every man in the world?!"

Technically correct, but for all practical purposes, Artyblokes hyperbole would withstand scrutiny. :0)

 

[GodSaves]

Thanks Vance! You know I wish I could pop that balloon. Hahah.

 

[Vance]

it is a deeply ingrained American custom to embarass people on their birthday in as many ways as possible. It is your patriotic duty to suffer through it.

 

[artybloke]

all the scientists who are YEC

Prime example of a contradiction in terms.

 

[GodSaves]

So if one believes in YEC and is a scientist, then they really aren't a scientists? Is that what you are saying artybloke?

 

[Vance]

So if one believes in YEC and is a scientist, then they really aren't a scientists? Is that what you are saying artybloke?

Not absolute, just statistically a very good bet.

Less than 0.015% of the scientists in the relevent fields in the US are YEC's. Less than 1/10th of 1% worldwide.

So, yes, there are some. But statistically, just a tiny sliver.

 

[GodSaves]

Less then 1% of the people in Jesus' day believed He was the Son of God. This should speak volumes to one who thinks they know the truth by going by the stats.

 

[Vance]

Ah, but it is completely understandable that less than 1% would have accepted Christ as the Son of God. First, most never even heard of Him. Many more had not experienced His power and teaching. Many more had not heard of His resurrection. And really, it is not something that you would EXPECT people to believe in upon hearing. The belief goes beyond evidence and reason and straight to experience and faith.

YEC scientific principals, however, is an ENTIRELY different matter. We are not talking about taking something on faith, but on the YEC scientific models of how things actually could have happened. If they were scientifically valid, as YEC's assert, there simply would be more people accepting it. A LOT more people.

This really is a case where the statistics say something dramatically important.

 

[GodSaves]

It is understandable that less than 1% of the people of Jesus' day believed He was and is the Son God? After witnessing all the miracles, it is understandable that people do not believe? Believing God created how it says in Genesis, six days, is taking it by faith. I was not there, I did not see, but I have faith that God did as His Word states without adjusting it, without dismissing verses of it, without making the compromise between man's theory, without changing it and calling it another interpretation.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.


Hebrews 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God's command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear built an ark to save his family. By his faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.

The Bible says when God thinks it shall already have come to pass. It says when God speaks it is done. Theistic evolution says when God speaks it shall come to pass in a few billion years. I get the feeling though that you will say that your interpretation of when the Bible says God speaks and it is done, God thinks and it has already come to pass doesn't really mean that. It rather means that God could do that, but doesn't, He would rather speak and let billions of years pass before His Word happens. Again unscriptural and adding words to the Bible.

 

[Vance]

" but I have faith that God did as His Word states without adjusting it, without dismissing verses of it, without making the compromise between man's theory, without changing it and calling it another interpretation. "

Odd, I say exactly the same thing. I don't adjust it from what I believe it says, even if my own Church tells me I should read it literally. I don't compromise my Faith in Scripture with any man's interpretation of literalness (since that is a human interpretation), and I definitely would not change it or dismiss ANY verses.

And no, it is not unscriptural at all. You are putting restraints on how God must behave. Where does it say that God must create in an instant? Where does it say that when He speaks, he must be creating things whole rather than the process by which all is created?

 

[GodSaves]

Shall I explain what it means when it says God thinks and it has already come to pass?

 

[Vance]

Shall I explain what it means when it says God thinks and it has already come to pass?

No, I understand that, thanks.

 

[artybloke]

Less then 1% of the people in Jesus' day believed He was the Son of God.

If you mean by this, The second person of the Trinity, then the ratio is probably 0%: the doctrine of the Trinity took 300 years to formulate properly. What they believed at the time of Jesus and just after was something much vaguer, steeped in Jewish concepts of kingship (King David was also identified as "the Son of God" by many at the time) and not at all defined according to Greek philosophical concepts that would have been foreign to all but possibly John and possibly Paul of the New Testament writers. The doctrine of the Trinity is very much in embryo in the New Testament.

Same goes for the theory of evolution, actually, which had quite a long embryo period including Charles Darwin's uncle Erasmus; Darwinism itself has evolved. Rather like all knowledge everywhere, really. Life is change.