more ice in Antarctica

[Subduction Zone]

The same way you support yours. You don't know, you believe. But if you use the word "know" to mean "believe", so can I.

Please. Do not assume that I have your flaws. I do not use your incorrect definition of "know". I do not know as much as the experts do about AGW, but I am sure that I do know more than you do. What I can do is to tell you what I know and how I know it. Not only that if you want to learn I can teach you how I know what I know.

 

[Thera]

Please. Do not assume that I have your flaws. I do not use your incorrect definition of "know". I do not know as much as the experts do about AGW, but I am sure that I do know more than you do. What I can do is to tell you what I know and how I know it. Not only that if you want to learn I can teach you how I know what I know.

You obviously do have flaws. Whether you admit them or not is another question. See below, where you presumed to "know" what you do not know.

But we know that story of the Bible is not literally true.

You believe that story of the Bible is not literally true. You do not know it. So if you can substitute the word "know" for the word "believe", don't complain when others use the same trick.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You obviously do have flaws. Whether you admit them or not is another question. See below, where you presumed to "know" what you do not know.

I never said or implied that I do not have flaws. I said that I did not have that one particular flaw of yours.

You believe that story of the Bible is not literally true. You do not know it. So if you can substitute the word "know" for the word "believe", don't complain when others use the same trick.

Oh my! That was quite the failure on your part. We do know that the Bible is not literally true from start to end. Please note, I did not say that all of it was wrong. But there are events in there that it is possible to know never happened. You may be assuming that because you do not know that no one else can know either. That would be a mistake on your part. For example I could assume that because I do not know how to tune an ignition system of an automobile that no one else can know either. That would be a rather foolish assumption on my part.

I can show and explain to you how we know that Noah's Ark never happened. I can show and explain to you how we know that the birth dates given for Jesus in the Gospels of Luke and Matthew differ by about ten years. When it comes to taking the Bible literally it is easy to show many flaws and explain how we know that it is wrong. Please note, that does not mean that it is all incorrect. Please do not jump to a black and white fallacy. But claiming that the Bible is perfect is making a false idol of it. One tends to worship the Bible when one does so and not God.

 

[essentialsaltes]

You believe that story of the Bible is not literally true. You do not know it.

We know that the standard features of Young Earth Creationism (Earth that is only thousands of years old, global flood, etc.) are not true.

These are testable claims about the natural world. They have been tested. They are false. We know this.

Depending on how you 'literally' read the Bible, this may logically imply that we know the story of the Bible is not literally true.

 

[Thera]

I never said or implied that I do not have flaws. I said that I did not have that one particular flaw of yours.

And I say that you do, as I deliberately copied it as a means of holding up a mirror to the arrogance I spied.

Oh my! That was quite the failure on your part. We do know that the Bible is not literally true from start to end.

Au contraire. Note your statement "But we know that story of the Bible is not literally true."

By "that story", you were referring to the account in Genesis under discussion, where God told Adam to fill the Earth and subdue it. You cannot know that to be untrue, unless you were there at the time God spoke to Adam. Do you claim to be there, at the time, when God was speaking to Adam? If not, how then can you honestly claim that you (but even moreso "we") "know that story of the Bible is not literally true"? You cannot. It is your belief - you believe it to be untrue. But it is exactly that - a belief. And I do not share your belief.

If you cannot be consistent with your definition of words, there is no common ground upon which I, nor anyone else of rational mind, can debate you.

 

[PatrickTate]

more ice in Antarctica







is melting faster than ever


say Scientists




World’s Ice Is Melting Faster Than Ever, Scientists Say.

Ice is melting across the globe at a faster rate than before

World’s Ice Is Melting 65 Percent Faster Than in 1990s


more ice in Greenland

is melting faster than at any time in past 12,000 years

Greenland's ice melting faster than at any time in past 12,000 years

more ice in Alaskan glaciers

melting 100 times faster than previously thought

Alaskan glaciers melting 100 times faster than previously thought









shouldn't we drain the oceans now?

by 1 centimeters per year

using solar powered desalination of seawater

then use solar power to pump

the freshwater in land where it is needed?

because 97 percent of the worlds water is salty ocean

water and not suitable for drinking.

ocean water volume is roughly 326 million cubic miles

(1.332 billion cubic kilometers),

according to a recent study from

the U.S. Geological Survey.

71 percent of Earth is covered in salty water.





2 billion people lack safe drinking water at home, more than twice as many lack safe sanitation

2 billion people lack safe drinking water at home



money

2 billion potential customers just waiting for us to supply them clean water

even if we charge $1 per year that would be $2 billion per year

if we charge $10 per year that would be $20 billion per year

if we charge $1 per week that would be $100 billion per year

$ 6 trillion



salt

we have to mine for a quarter of a billion tons of salt each year that we currently use.






pipeline

The world's longest pipeline is 2353 miles.

the Interprovincial Pipe Line Inc. installation,

which spans the North American continent from Edmonton, Alberta, Canada through Chicago to Montreal:

a distance of 3787km.





solar power

Approximately 12000 TW (terrawatts) of energy

reaches the Earth from the Sun.

That is 1200000000000000 joules per minute

More energy reaches the earth from the sun in one day

than the whole world uses in one year.

Solar is now cheapest electricity in history says IEA




water storage

water can be stored under the land in vast aquifers as deep as 30,000 feet and as wide 174,000 square-mile .

What is Groundwater? | Live Science

aquifers underground can hold volume of water 100 times greater then amount that can be held on the surface of the land.

the aquifers underneath the deserts were last filled with water over 5,000 years ago.









Deserts

Seen from space, the majority of the Earth's surface is covered by

oceans – that makes up 71% of the surface of the Earth,

with the remaining 29% for land.

what percentage of the Earth's land surface is desert?

Deserts actually make up 33%



Planting Trillions of Trees will Cancel Out Decades of CO2 Emission say Scientists

president says "we will plant Trillions of Trees now" because




fertilizer

human produce 200 million tons of sewage every year

we could make this in to fertilizer and use it to turn the deserts

in to rich agricultural land and wildlife habitats

On the other hand there is also good news.

Personally I believe if that you will take the combined amount of ice that is cracking and sliding off the LAND BASED Greenland Ice Sheet and the world's glaciers you will come up with a similar number to the amount of H2O that is being ADDED to most of Antarctica, [with the possible exception of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet].

At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie! That's enough= ice to form a layer one mile wide and two miles high from New York to Chicago. And this is the buildup of only one year!"

[Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory
Gershom Gale gershon1
@netvision.net.il]

 

[Gene2memE]

On the other hand there is also good news.

Personally I believe if that you will take the combined amount of ice that is cracking and sliding off the LAND BASED Greenland Ice Sheet and the world's glaciers you will come up with a similar number to the amount of H2O that is being ADDED to most of Antarctica, [with the possible exception of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet].

That quote you referenced doesn't actually seem to be related to any current, real-world data. At least nothing from the last 50 years.

The Union of Geodesy and Geophysics doesn't list a "Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky" as a speaker at any of its conferences this century.
Searches for Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky/Pyyotor Shoumsky/P. Shoumsky come up blank in Google scholar, except as citations to work from the late 1950s.

The closest I can find is a quote from the New York Time in 1960!

https://www.nytimes.com/1960/08/04/archives/ice-in-antarctic-reported-on-rise-sheet-growing-at-rate-of-293.html

Meanwhile, the real-world monitoring shows a clear downward trend. Satellite monitoring of sea ice extent (Arctic and Antarctic) started in 1979. Current Antarctic sea ice extent is at record minimums, and fully 20% below the 1981-2010 average.

Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph | National Snow and Ice Data Center

How to use CharcticDeveloped at NSIDC with support from NASA, the Charctic Interactive Sea Ice Graph enables users to more easily access and explore the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Ad

nsidc.org

Both Arctic and Antarctic sea ice extents are trending down. Substantially.

Same for land-based ice. According to the European Climate Change Service and the Copernicus monitoring satellite: "Between 1979 and 2023, the Antarctic Ice Sheet lost on average 107 Gt of ice per year, contributing a total of 13.4 mm to sea level rise."

They published a full analysis here in 2023:

Mass balance of the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets from 1992 to 2020

Abstract. Ice losses from the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets have accelerated since the 1990s, accounting for a significant increase in the global mean sea level. Here, we present a new 29-year record of ice sheet mass balance from 1992 to 2020 from the Ice Sheet Mass Balance...

essd.copernicus.org

NASA has similar conclusions. While there were some temporary gains in the Antarctic, the overall trend has been for reduce mass and volume of coverage:

Despite Antarctic Gains, Global Sea Ice Is Shrinking

NASA ice expert Claire Parkinson confirms that global sea ice coverage has continued its overall downward trend since her original analysis was published in 2015.

www.climate.gov

 

[Fantine]

On the other hand there is also good news.

Personally I believe if that you will take the combined amount of ice that is cracking and sliding off the LAND BASED Greenland Ice Sheet and the world's glaciers you will come up with a similar number to the amount of H2O that is being ADDED to most of Antarctica, [with the possible exception of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet].

Ever read the Hab Theory?

 

[DaisyDay]

Northern summer varies from unusually warm exceptionally warm

Finland recorded 20 days with temperatures above 30 °C in July, while Norway noted an average temperature 2,8 °C above normal. That is not good news.

www.thebarentsobserver.com

"The temperature during the warmest 14-day period in July is by far the highest recorded for Norway. It occurred between July 12 and 25 and affected all parts of the country," the Norwegian Meteorological Institute said in its July wrap-up.

"In total, more than 140 stations registered a heat wave. Of these, about 28 had 30 degrees for at least five consecutive days. Every county in Norway had stations that registered at least 30 degrees and a heat wave during the month," it said.

"We have to be prepared for this to happen more often in the future. It will be very important to focus on reducing emissions and climate adaptation," said Reidun Gangstø, climate researcher with the Meteorological Institute.

In northern Finland, the highest temperature, 32.6 °C, was measured in Oulu on the last day of the month.

"The deviation of the average temperature from normal was broadly 2–3 degrees, and 1–2 degrees in the direction of Inari and Utsjoki," statistics from the Finnish Meteorological Institute summed up.
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