Morality without god?

[Believer69]

Morality 1: Good without gods - YouTube

 

[drich0150]

have you not learned your yourtube lesson yet? If you have a question about something you saw on yourtube, you watch the youtube video and put it's content in your own words. "We" are not here to explore atheism. You are here to explore Christianity.

 

[Harry3142]

Dr. Sigmund Freud had basically the same attitude as this Youtube message. He believed that the more advanced and scientific the people were, the less they needed religion. He lived to see the flag of the most educationally advanced, scientifically superior nation at that time flying in Vienna, Austria. It was the swastika.

 

[Raph]

Human morality is subjective and its origin goes back to man's Original Sin: (Genesis 2: 16 ... “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.” ). The "good" is just as poisonous as the "evil", and Jesus had to come to set us free from it. Atheistic morality is just eating from the fruit of the knowledge of good, and in the end, just brings more death.

 

[juvenissun]

have you not learned your yourtube lesson yet? If you have a question about something you saw on yourtube, you watch the youtube video and put it's content in your own words. "We" are not here to explore atheism. You are here to explore Christianity.

Have you noticed that this guy just threw out a bunch of questions and then walked away? I don't think it is worthwhile to reply his OP until he replied something to the first one, in this case, you.

 

[GrayAngel]

*Points to forum name: "Exploring Christianity"*

 

[juvenissun]

*Points to forum name: "Exploring Christianity"*

If what I said is true, then he is not exploring.

 

[drich0150]

It seems there are several posts out there that want youtube to do their thinking for them. If this is the case then it is pointless to try and respond. Because if they can not digest what is on youtube and put in their own words then anything you have to say will fall on deaf ears/blind eyes. Because the person who put the youtube video together is not the one posting it here for review.

 

[juvenissun]

It seems there are several posts out there that want youtube to do their thinking for them. If this is the case then it is pointless to try and respond. Because if they can not digest what is on youtube and put in their own words then anything you have to say will fall on deaf ears/blind eyes. Because the person who put the youtube video together is not the one posting it here for review.

What I expect to see is a Q/A interaction. I just don't see it happened on this person.

 

[Brenda Morgan]

Have you ever closely examined the morality of the Bible?
Slavery, genocide, polygamy, death for homosexuals and heretics etc.
Would you prefer to live with the Bible's moral code?

 

[drich0150]

Have you ever closely examined the morality of the Bible?
Slavery, genocide, polygamy, death for homosexuals and heretics etc.
Would you prefer to live with the Bible's moral code?

Morality is the term man's uses to describe the justification for the discrepancy between the sin He finds acceptable in His life, when compared to the perfect standard of righteousness of God. Subsequently. it is also the defacto term man/woman uses to describe the self righteousness or the self righteous feeling one gets when they see or hear of an act they have judged intrinsically evil. Meaning the act itself has a moral value or evil to it.

None of the Acts you listed are intrinsically evil. Meaning the acts in of themselves are not sinful or evil. It only becomes sinful or evil when man takes the authority upon himself, to commit these acts against the will of God that the acts become Evil. It is God's right to allow any of your list to be permissible, and subsequently (except for slavery) it is also God's right to tell us not to involve ourselves with these acts, as it has been written for almost 2000 years now.

God is the sole source of Righteousness, what Ever He decides is righteous. Morality is man's self serving code that allows him to accept and condemn sin apart from the authority of God. So to directly answer your question, Yes I have VERY Closely examined the Righteousness found in the bible and I will always choose it over the self righteousness of man no matter how it is phrased.

 

[Prayer Circle]

Dr. Sigmund Freud had basically the same attitude as this Youtube message. He believed that the more advanced and scientific the people were, the less they needed religion. He lived to see the flag of the most educationally advanced, scientifically superior nation at that time flying in Vienna, Austria. It was the swastika.

You do realize the Swastika is older than the German Reich that corrupted it, yes?

 

[Prayer Circle]

Morality is the term man's uses to describe the justification for the discrepancy between the sin He finds acceptable in His life, when compared to the perfect standard of righteousness of God. Subsequently. it is also the defacto term man/woman uses to describe the self righteousness or the self righteous feeling one gets when they see or hear of an act they have judged intrinsically evil. Meaning the act itself has a moral value or evil to it.

None of the Acts you listed are intrinsically evil. Meaning the acts in of themselves are not sinful or evil. It only becomes sinful or evil when man takes the authority upon himself, to commit these acts against the will of God that the acts become Evil. It is God's right to allow any of your list to be permissible, and subsequently (except for slavery) it is also God's right to tell us not to involve ourselves with these acts, as it has been written for almost 2000 years now.

God is the sole source of Righteousness, what Ever He decides is righteous. Morality is man's self serving code that allows him to accept and condemn sin apart from the authority of God. So to directly answer your question, Yes I have VERY Closely examined the Righteousness found in the bible and I will always choose it over the self righteousness of man no matter how it is phrased.

How incredibly self-righteous of you.


Exodus 31:12-15 (ASV)

12 And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily ye shall keep my sabbaths: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am Jehovah who sanctifieth you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that profaneth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to Jehovah: whosoever doeth any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

2 Chronicles 15:12-13
And they entered into the covenant to seek Jehovah, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul;
and that whosoever would not seek Jehovah, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.


Deuteronomy 13:13-19 (ASV)

13 Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of thee, and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in the midst of thee,

15 thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, unto Jehovah thy God: and it shall be a heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

17 And there shall cleave nought of the devoted thing to thy hand; that Jehovah may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

18 when thou shalt hearken to the voice of Jehovah thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of Jehovah thy God.

 

[drich0150]

How incredibly self-righteous of you.


Exodus 31:12-15 (ASV)

12 And Jehovah spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily ye shall keep my sabbaths: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am Jehovah who sanctifieth you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that profaneth it shall surely be put to death; for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

15 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day is a sabbath of solemn rest, holy to Jehovah: whosoever doeth any work on the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.

2 Chronicles 15:12-13
And they entered into the covenant to seek Jehovah, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul;
and that whosoever would not seek Jehovah, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.


Deuteronomy 13:13-19 (ASV)

13 Certain base fellows are gone out from the midst of thee, and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known;

14 then shalt thou inquire, and make search, and ask diligently; and, behold, if it be truth, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in the midst of thee,

15 thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

16 And thou shalt gather all the spoil of it into the midst of the street thereof, and shalt burn with fire the city, and all the spoil thereof every whit, unto Jehovah thy God: and it shall be a heap for ever; it shall not be built again.

17 And there shall cleave nought of the devoted thing to thy hand; that Jehovah may turn from the fierceness of his anger, and show thee mercy, and have compassion upon thee, and multiply thee, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers;

18 when thou shalt hearken to the voice of Jehovah thy God, to keep all his commandments which I command thee this day, to do that which is right in the eyes of Jehovah thy God.

Maybe you should read what I wrote again.

 

[Brenda Morgan]

Morality is the term man's uses to describe the justification for the discrepancy between the sin He finds acceptable in His life, when compared to the perfect standard of righteousness of God. Subsequently. it is also the defacto term man/woman uses to describe the self righteousness or the self righteous feeling one gets when they see or hear of an act they have judged intrinsically evil. Meaning the act itself has a moral value or evil to it.

None of the Acts you listed are intrinsically evil. Meaning the acts in of themselves are not sinful or evil. It only becomes sinful or evil when man takes the authority upon himself, to commit these acts against the will of God that the acts become Evil. It is God's right to allow any of your list to be permissible, and subsequently (except for slavery) it is also God's right to tell us not to involve ourselves with these acts, as it has been written for almost 2000 years now.

God is the sole source of Righteousness, what Ever He decides is righteous. Morality is man's self serving code that allows him to accept and condemn sin apart from the authority of God. So to directly answer your question, Yes I have VERY Closely examined the Righteousness found in the bible and I will always choose it over the self righteousness of man no matter how it is phrased.

Did you ever notice that sometimes the "good guys" in the Bible lie?
I suppose a lie for a "good cause" is doing God's work and is acceptable.

 

[Publius]

Have you ever closely examined the morality of the Bible?
Slavery, genocide, polygamy, death for homosexuals and heretics etc.
Would you prefer to live with the Bible's moral code?

Yes.

Did you ever notice that sometimes the "good guys" in the Bible lie?

Like who? Rahab? Yes, people in the Bible sinned. They were sinners. What is your point?

I suppose a lie for a "good cause" is doing God's work and is acceptable.

No.

 

[Prayer Circle]

Maybe you should read what I wrote again.

I read you just fine. (*bold is my edit)

(Sic)..."God is the sole source of Righteousness, what Ever He decides is righteous..."

Which is why I shared those verses that, by your proclamation, is righteous per God being the source of them.

 

[Brenda Morgan]

Yes.



Like who? Rahab? Yes, people in the Bible sinned. They were sinners. What is your point?



No.

As you read your Bible did you notice that even Jesus lied?

1 Kings 22:23 (New American Standard Bible)
"Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you."

This Scripture suggests that God does use lies to advance spiritual concerns.

Look at Jesus' example.
Luke 13:31-33 (New American Standard Bible)

31Just at that time some Pharisees approached, saying to Him, "Go away, leave here, for Herod wants to kill You."

32And He said to them, "Go and tell that fox, 'Behold, I cast out demons and perform cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I reach My goal.'

33"Nevertheless I must journey on today and tomorrow and the next day; for it cannot be that a prophet would perish outside of Jerusalem.

The Pharisees warn Jesus that Herod wants to kill him.
Jesus tells the Pharisees to tell Herod that he would be in the area casting out demons and curing illness. [A lie]
But Jesus journeys on that day to avoid Herod's murderous intention.

So it's OK to lie.


Here is something to consider....
John 7:2-10 (New American Standard Bible)

2Now the feast of the Jews, the Feast of Booths, was near.

3Therefore His brothers said to Him, "Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing.

4"For no one does anything in secret when he himself seeks to be known publicly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world."

5For not even His brothers were believing in Him.

6So Jesus said to them, "My time is not yet here, but your time is always opportune.

7"The world cannot hate you, but it hates Me because I testify of it, that its deeds are evil.

8"Go up to the feast yourselves; I do not go up to this feast because My time has not yet fully come."

9Having said these things to them, He stayed in Galilee.

10But when His brothers had gone up to the feast, then He Himself also went up, not publicly, but as if, in secret.

Did Jesus lie?

 

[drich0150]

Did you ever notice that sometimes the "good guys" in the Bible lie?
I suppose a lie for a "good cause" is doing God's work and is acceptable.

A Lie is a lie even if it is for the greater good.

Sin is anything not in the Expressed Will of God.

Evil is an malicious intent to commit sin.

Not all sin is Evil, but all Evil is sin. A lie for the greater good is an example of a sin not being evil. but in the end is still a sin.

Also None are "Good" only God is Good. So there are no "good guys." For, All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God even his Prophets.

 

[drich0150]

I read you just fine. (*bold is my edit)

(Sic)..."God is the sole source of Righteousness, what Ever He decides is righteous..."

Which is why I shared those verses that, by your proclamation, is righteous per God being the source of them.

so please help me out here. How is it self righteous of me if my defination of righteousness comes from God?