Moral infallibility

[GrowingSmaller]

Are you talking about "all our righteousness is as filthy rags"?

That is talking about the "value" of our works in the eyes of God as far as "purchasing" our redemption. The most righteous works we can possibly do are not of the standard that could do that. It's meant to explain the impossibility of our works as being acceptable to justify us in themselves.

But they are not actually worthless ...

They serve to mold and change us, they may be if benefit to those we labor on behalf of, they can give glory to God when He is seen as the source of our good works, and so on.

We just can't redeem ourselves with them, outside of Christ.

So Jesus goodness... is ideal, and we "appropriate" that ideality by accepting its truth?

 

[quatona]

If I do no wrong,

So that´s what you mean by "morally infallible"? Ok.

don't I have a unfailingly good influence?

I don´t see how that follows. Particularly, I don´t see how your influence will "override" all other influences, and why we would assume your influence to be effective everywhere.

 

[tienkhoanguyen]

According to The Holy Bible GOD is the one who is able to be perfect through becoming Jesus Christ for us all!

 

[bhsmte]

If someone were morally infallible, then there would be no more evil in the world. Is this true?

The basic logic is if no wrong is done, then as a consequence all evil would be eliminated insofar as it is touched by the infallible...

Otherwise what is infallibility?

Who gets to decide what is "moral" or not?

 

[~Anastasia~]

So Jesus goodness... is ideal, and we "appropriate" that ideality by accepting its truth?

I think what you are asking is something based more on an evangelical perspective.

"Just believe" and this causes God to put on rose-colored glasses when He looks at you, so that He is blind to you yourself and instead "sees" only Christ?

I was taught that at one time. But no, that's not what I'm actually talking about.

I believe that yes, we certainly must believe, but it's not just a mental agreeing that saves us. Even the demons "believe". They know full well who Christ is, and they fear Him. That is not "being saved" though.

No, we are actually joined to Christ in a hidden way. We become more and more like Him (God must do this for us, but we must not stop Him). We are made to be ACTUALLY like Christ, not just "looking like Him because God put on special glasses".

No, we don't "appropriate" anything. We are meant to be REALLY CHANGED and act, speak, and think like Christ would (though because we are in human bodies, we will always fight in some ways and not be as good at this as Christ Himself). But, it is not OUR EFFORTS to do this that "save" us. But we must try, so that we don't stop God's work in us. But, it is God's work in us, made possible by Christ's death, and our belief, that all together save us.

This is what the early Christians taught. (And I should also say, it is not a "finishing" that we need. Someone can learn about Christ, be converted, and die right away, without time for all that process. God can still save them.)

 

[~Anastasia~]

If I do no wrong, don't I have a unfailingly good influence?

You don't have to do anything wrong to have bad influences. Since the people first rebelled against God, everything around you was full of bad influence. And before that, was already bad influence. One of the top angels became proud, and went against God - he was the first to bring in bad influence. But since humans are part of the world, when they decided to go against God, they brought bad influence (evil) into the world. It's everywhere now, many centuries of everyone doing bad things. You can't escape it ... sooner or later you see it near you - usually very soon in life.

 

[Dave-W]

‘Iṣmah or ‘Isma (Arabic: عِصْمَة‎‎; literally, "protection") is the concept of incorruptible innocence, immunity from sin, or moral infallibility in Islamic theology, and which is especially prominent in Shia Islam.
Ismah - Wikipedia

This is a christian website. Islamic concepts are irrelevant.

 

[grasping the after wind]

If I do no wrong, don't I have a unfailingly good influence?

Of course not. To have an unfailingly good influence you would need to be doing good unfailingly not simply refraining from doing wrong. A clod of dirt does no wrong but it has no influence whatsoever. The same would apply to a hermit living in complete isolation from the rest of humanity. The hermit does no harm but also does no good. The definition of good is not simply the absence of evil any more than sweet can be defined as the absence of sour or kind as the absence of malice. To be a good influence one needs to take some sort of positive action. Not engaging in the negative is insufficient.

 

[ver 2-10]

If someone were morally infallible, then there would be no more evil in the world. Is this true?

The basic logic is if no wrong is done, then as a consequence all evil would be eliminated insofar as it is touched by the infallible...

Otherwise what is infallibility?

No, there's a grey zone, some "evils" are based on mistakes, a building company might have done their calculations wrong and used too frail mortar and concrete, so that the building may fall down in light earth quakes, thus many will die but is it an evil?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

I was thinking like a magic wand, making all things good. But its true, if others have freedom than my actions are limited in that way.