Moon was Created

[dad]

Seems to me that the moon being locked with one face towrd the earth would effect how space junk hits the moon - the earth would protect the near side?

But isn't most of the impacts on this side? Would not that fit better with the debris having come from the earth??

 

[dad]

Nonsense. Irwin was a Christian whose mother wanted him to be a minister. He did often say he "felt the power of God" on the moon but this could as well be emotional reaction to the situation and not the effect of spirits living inside the moon.
The list of your absurd speculations would probably fill a book by now. So what?

That does not take away from the fact the the guy attributed his moon visit to the change in his life. Being Christian oriented, the spiritual change went in that direction. Nothing you say in any way detracts from the possibility that there are men in the moon. And women, that used to live here, as well a s angels and various spirits.

FB:What do you think was happening to the earth during the late heavy bombardment of the inner solar system when most of these craters formed.
So you think debris from the earth around flood time caused the formation of all those craters on the moon. The amusing thing is that you don't actually know how totally absurd this idea is.
Because these impacts were huge each releasing millions of megatons of energy and the earth would have experience many times more impacts because of its larger size. The surface of the planet would have been melted and the oceans vaporized.

Nonsense, the impacts under the former universe laws were nothing like that. You speculations are driven by how it would now happen. Try not to be so obsessed with belief, and maybe one day you could see things in a balanced light.

The moon was probably formed within a few hundred million years after the earth formed but hardly in the same week.

According to the latest quackery of so called science claims, based on their wildly Godless, and baseless premises. I know. But my link still stands, that shows the poor dolts do claim that the orbit came to be in less than a thousand years, I think it was. Deal with it.

FB:The surface of the earth is constantly being reworked.
Your goofy "different past" is as absurd now as it was long ago. The surface of the earth has undergone a lot of changes in the last 4.5 billion years which is why the oldest rocks are not quite as old as those on the moon.

That is the stuff of dreams. We have history for only several thousand years, any other reworking in in your head.

So exactly which disease are caused by demons?

Exactly what diseases could not be caused by them?? A bit like people. Bad people could, theoretically cause disease. For example the whiskey traders in fort Whoop Up, on the Prairies, I think in Canada, were said to have purposely left diseased animal carcasses to infect the natives there. Spirits are not that different. They can sneak around, and do stuff, that PO minded men would attribute to something else.

I am sure it would be news to the American Medical Association and the CDC and my friends at FDA if it weren't total nonsense but since it is total nonsense I don't think I'll bother telling them this news.

That is like telling a blind center that there is a full moon. They can't see it but it does not mean their limited opinion changes squat.

So should we called some demon caused diseased Job's disease or did Job suffer from demonitis.

No, it was Satan himself that infected Job.

I don't think there is anything silly about the impact theory but it does rely on chance. Chance events do occur and our moon is unique in the solar system. But you are right, such scenarios rely on believing in reality and not your different state fantasies.

Reality of a past time, and universe state you are not now privy to. But that doesn't stop you from claiming stuff about it.

No doubt. Perhaps they help you come up with all your strange ideas. Some people see pink elephants you see spirits living in the moon and no gravity before the flood and time running backwards. We really have missed your comic relief.

Your doomed PO concepts, based on fantasy, and myth need all the relief they can get. Help is on the way.

Too bad you have never accomplished anything, unless you count wasting our time as accomplishment.

Your concept of accomplishment is invalid in the big picture. I accomplished one day praying a salvation prayer. It took maybe a minute. maybe less. Your doomed, clock is ticking till it is no more universe can't ever match that.
I also happened to stumble on many secrets of the universe, that your so called science can never attain. It is too narrow minded and religious. Sad.

Thanks. I trust you had a good Christmas and hope you have a happy New Year.

Alright, you one upped me there. You too.

 

[dad]

Suit yourself, bro --- the fruitcake here is still as fresh today as the day it was when you left.

Normally I like the light. But in the case of fruitcake, I prefer dark. Cheers.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

But isn't most of the impacts on this side? Would not that fit better with the debris having come from the earth??

Most of the impacts are not on the near side. Most of the maria are on the near side but the far side is heavily cratered.
From HERE

This image was taken by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969. It shows a portion of the Moon's heavily cratered far side. The large crater is approximately 80 km ( 50 miles ) in diameter. The rugged terrain seen here is typical of the farside of the Moon.

From the Wikipedia article on the Far Side of the Moon I linked before
The rugged terrain is distinguished by a multitude of crater impacts, as well as relatively few lunar maria. It includes the largest known impact feature in the Solar System: the South Pole-Aitken basin.

You have made this false claim before. (I guess in this case it was a question and not a direct claim) I think you got it from Walt Brown. You should have learned by now that his site is not trustworthy.

 

[dad]

Not bad. At least it scans. But I have no desire to imagine myself as a ruler of anything. But IIRC you imagine yourself living in a city of transparent God and boinking Marylin Monroe and other famous beauties for ever and ever. Now that thread was classic dad. I hope you are still up to providing such hilarity.

Well, sex in heaven I expect will be great old time. I look forward to meeting many wonderful girls who lived on earth there. Boinking sounds so crude. Getting to know them, I might enjoy.

As for the different state of gold, yes, it will be different. Go ahead, if you are saved, or get saved, and are there, and check out the atomic structure of that gold. It will last forever. You can't get more stable than that. The One born in a stable will see to it that the universe is stable.

 

[dad]

Most of the impacts are not on the near side. Most of the maria are on the near side but the far side is heavily cratered.
From HERE

This image was taken by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969. It shows a portion of the Moon's heavily cratered far side.

Yes, we would expect there also were some impacts on that side. If ice, and debris from earth was out in space, would not, naturally, some of it orbit the moon, or otherwise find itself on the far side?

You have made this false claim before. I think you got it from Walt Brown. You should have learned by now that his site is not trustworthy.

His ideas are great. Too bad he made the same mistake you have, and used the PO premise for all things. But he did hit on many many things that, perhaps for reasons other than he envisioned, were bang on, or at least close.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

That does not take away from the fact the the guy attributed his moon visit to the change in his life. Being Christian oriented, the spiritual change went in that direction. Nothing you say in any way detracts from the possibility that there are men in the moon. And women, that used to live here, as well a s angels and various spirits.

Men and women living in the moon? Would they be looney tunes? If they go into the woods inside the moon do they suffer from lunaticks?

Nonsense, the impacts under the former universe laws were nothing like that. You speculations are driven by how it would now happen. Try not to be so obsessed with belief, and maybe one day you could see things in a balanced light.

Sorry but I just can't buy your different past fantasies. We have discussed the evidence for constancy of physical laws many times in the past and it is clear that your mind is closed to science so there is no point in further discussion. You have your fantasy, I have science, never the twain shall meet.

According to the latest quackery of so called science claims, based on their wildly Godless, and baseless premises. I know. But my link still stands, that shows the poor dolts do claim that the orbit came to be in less than a thousand years, I think it was. Deal with it.

I think the site you are referring to refers to the time required for tidal locking. At least that is what the link is talking about. According to the theory a large satellite locks faster than a small one but there is uncertainty in the calculation. I am not sure what your point here is if you have one.

That is the stuff of dreams. We have history for only several thousand years, any other reworking in in your head.

It depends on what you mean by history. We only have written history for about 5000 years but geologists and cosmologists can read "history" going back much farther than that.

Exactly what diseases could not be caused by them?? A bit like people. Bad people could, theoretically cause disease. For example the whiskey traders in fort Whoop Up, on the Prairies, I think in Canada, were said to have purposely left diseased animal carcasses to infect the natives there. Spirits are not that different. They can sneak around, and do stuff, that PO minded men would attribute to something else.

The diseases were caused by either bacteria or viruses not demons or spirits sneaking around. You really have some medieval ideas. Demons causing disease indeed. I'd ask you to catch up to the 21 century but you have to get past the 13th first.

That is like telling a blind center that there is a full moon. They can't see it but it does not mean their limited opinion changes squat.

It's more like telling someone who can see that an invisible pink unicorn is in the room with them but they just can't see it because they don't believe in pink unicorns.

No, it was Satan himself that infected Job.

Ok so what does that bit of myth have to do with demons causing disease in the modern world?

Reality of a past time, and universe state you are not now privy to. But that doesn't stop you from claiming stuff about it.

Yes I make claims about reality. You make claims based on fantasy.

Your doomed PO concepts, based on fantasy, and myth need all the relief they can get. Help is on the way.

Yeah right. Since laughter is good for one's health I suppose laughing at you nonsense is good for me. On the other hand your fantasies where shown to fail on many past threads so I doubt you will do better now.

Your concept of accomplishment is invalid in the big picture. I accomplished one day praying a salvation prayer. It took maybe a minute. maybe less. Your doomed, clock is ticking till it is no more universe can't ever match that.
I also happened to stumble on many secrets of the universe, that your so called science can never attain. It is too narrow minded and religious. Sad.

Secrets like men living in the moon, no gravity before the flood, demons causing disease, time running backwards, the earth didn't rotate and other fine stuff you have laid on us I suppose. These things are secrete because they are pure fantasies that exist only in your mind.

I have a book to write so I'll have to leave others to debate you soon. I don't have much more time for someone who thinks there may be men living inside the moon.

 

[dad]

Men and women living in the moon? Would they be looney tunes? If they go into the woods inside the moon do they suffer from lunaticks?

Ticks cannot affect spooks. Ticks also need air, and many things science knows are not on the moon. Get a grip, man.

Sorry but I just can't buy your different past fantasies. We have discussed the evidence for constancy of physical laws many times in the past and it is clear that your mind is closed to science so there is no point in further discussion. You have your fantasy, I have science, never the twain shall meet.

Despite your fantasies, no science exists for any same past. Open your mind to the obvious.

I think the site you are referring to refers to the time required for tidal locking. At least that is what the link is talking about. According to the theory a large satellite locks faster than a small one but there is uncertainty in the calculation. I am not sure what your point here is if you have one.

Point was that the claims of science have the orbit of the moon coming to be real real fast.

It depends on what you mean by history. We only have written history for about 5000 years but geologists and cosmologists can read "history" going back much farther than that.

Says you. You simply try to set the clocks by present time, and laws for the past. That is a useless exercise, valid only inside your head. Correlations of clocks set to PO time all depend on a PO reality on the unknown to science past. I prefer the known to science realities, over your strange dreaming. No matter what you call it.

The diseases were caused by either bacteria or viruses not demons or spirits sneaking around.

You seem to be suggesting that bacteria are too heavy for demons to carry? Think about it. Also, try to make claims in the realm of reality, and science. Good luck on proving that one.

You really have some medieval ideas. Demons causing disease indeed. I'd ask you to catch up to the 21 century but you have to get past the 13th first.

The embracing of natural only causes and effects is something that can't claim a whole lot of history, that is true. Science, in case this is news to you does not cover demons or spirits, nor indeed can it, nor indeed was it designed to do any such thing.

It's more like telling someone who can see that an invisible pink unicorn is in the room with them but they just can't see it because they don't believe in pink unicorns.

Or that the universe fit in their nose long ago. In any case, things spiritual are beyond science, as you must admit. Say uncle. Why prolong the inevitable??

Ok so what does that bit of myth have to do with demons causing disease in the modern world?

Spirits like Satan are still alive. Yes, in this modern world. I kid you not.

Yes I make claims about reality. You make claims based on fantasy.

The realities of the unknown past you make claims of, that is true. Be honest, life is short.

Yeah right. Since laughter is good for one's health I suppose laughing at you nonsense is good for me. On the other hand your fantasies where shown to fail on many past threads so I doubt you will do better now.

I improve with age, unlike the decaying crowd.

Secrets like men living in the moon, no gravity before the flood, demons causing disease, time running backwards, the earth didn't rotate and other fine stuff you have laid on us I suppose. These things are secrete because they are pure fantasies that exist only in your mind.

Trying to lump concepts into phrases that are designed to sound silly to the average Joe Six pack crowd is cheap.

I have a book to write so I'll have to leave others to debate you soon. I don't have much more time for someone who thinks there may be men living inside the moon.

You have a book to write, what is it about? Geophysics?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Yes, we would expect there also were some impacts on that side. If ice, and debris from earth was out in space, would not, naturally, some of it orbit the moon, or otherwise find itself on the far side?

Some?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

Ticks cannot affect spooks. Ticks also need air, and many things science knows are not on the moon. Get a grip, man.

You talk about men in the moon and tell me to get a grip! Another irony meter explodes.

Despite your fantasies, no science exists for any same past. Open your mind to the obvious.

It does. We have been over it. You lost. Get over it.

Point was that the claims of science have the orbit of the moon coming to be real real fast.

So?

Says you. You simply try to set the clocks by present time, and laws for the past. That is a useless exercise, valid only inside your head. Correlations of clocks set to PO time all depend on a PO reality on the unknown to science past. I prefer the known to science realities, over your strange dreaming. No matter what you call it.

So you still live in your fantasy world. Nothing has changed while you were gone. We can expect more great comedy from you.

You seem to be suggesting that bacteria are too heavy for demons to carry? Think about it. Also, try to make claims in the realm of reality, and science. Good luck on proving that one.

You talk about demons causing disease and tell me to make claims in the realm of reality. Amazing.

The embracing of natural only causes and effects is something that can't claim a whole lot of history, that is true. Science, in case this is news to you does not cover demons or spirits, nor indeed can it, nor indeed was it designed to do any such thing.

That's because the demons and spirits you imagine are only in your imagination.

Or that the universe fit in their nose long ago. In any case, things spiritual are beyond science, as you must admit. Say uncle. Why prolong the inevitable??

Yes things spiritual are beyond science. Studying the multibillion year history of the moon is not beyond science and it doesn't involve spirits or men living in the moon.

Spirits like Satan are still alive. Yes, in this modern world. I kid you not.

Your ideas are medieval. I kid you not.

The realities of the unknown past you make claims of, that is true. Be honest, life is short.

Life is short but the history of the universe is not.

I improve with age, unlike the decaying crowd.

you do seem to get more hilarious as you go along.

Trying to lump concepts into phrases that are designed to sound silly to the average Joe Six pack crowd is cheap.

I only repeated things you have said directly, including thread titles in some cases. They sound silly to everyone including the Average Joe Six Pack crowd because they are silly or in some cases beyond silly.

You have a book to write, what is it about? Geophysics?

No geophysics is only my hobby. I'll let you know when it is done.

 

[MacCoyle]

I like the spirit of the song, 'Imagine' I found it was too hopeless, and sad. I sing it like this.

Imagine
John Lennon
(new words)

Imagine we're in Heaven, it's easy if you try
No more hell around us, a crystal pure clear sky

Imagine all the people, loving every day..Ohh

Imagine there's no system, it isn't hard to do
No more wars to die for, no cars or money too

Imagine all God's people, living life in peace..ohh

-You may say I',m a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you will join us, and the world will be as one


Imagine there's still nations, imagine we have wings
Imagine us as rulers, for the King of Kings..ohh


-You may say I',m a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you will join us, in the kingdom of God's Son..



Anyhow, if we talk science, we can't avoid the PO. No worries there.

Did you just change some of the greatest lyrics of all time.

The original lyrics have a lot of hope.

 

[dad]

Did you just change some of the greatest lyrics of all time.

The original lyrics have a lot of hope.

No. I changed some hopeless depressing, untrue words, that had a nice tune, and feeling. If John were able, he would now agree
Having no heaven or God is not some hopeful thing, it is nonsense..

 

[dad]

Some?

Some, yes. Why, do you claim all are there? Talk about mare, , it is claimed, there is most of that, where??? It used to be claimed that was a result of impacts.
Now, they seem a little lost on the topic.

"The reason that the mare basalts are predominantly located on the near-side hemisphere of the Moon is still being debated by the scientific community. Based on data obtained from the Lunar Prospector mission, it appears that a large proportion of the Moon's inventory of heat producing elements (in the form of KREEP) is located within the regions of Oceanus Procellarum and the Imbrium basin, a unique geochemical province now referred to as the Procellarum KREEP Terrane.[4][5][6] While the enhancement in heat production within the Procellarum KREEP Terrane is most certainly related to the longevity and intensity of volcanism found there, the mechanism by which KREEP became concentrated within this region is not agreed upon[7]."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_maria

So, we might say, lava maria is not really understood.



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[dad]

You talk about men in the moon and tell me to get a grip! Another irony meter explodes.
It does. We have been over it. You lost. Get over it.

Right, if you claim that there are no spirits, you need to get a grip on more than you have a grip on.

So you still live in your fantasy world. Nothing has changed while you were gone. We can expect more great comedy from you.

If you consider putting the weaknesses and ineptness of science on the table for a good look see comedy, then, yes, there is a lot of material there to work with.

You talk about demons causing disease and tell me to make claims in the realm of reality. Amazing.

You try to dismiss the historically almost universally known spiritual reality, and label it as reality.

That's because the demons and spirits you imagine are only in your imagination.

Prove it.

Yes things spiritual are beyond science. Studying the multibillion year history of the moon is not beyond science and it doesn't involve spirits or men living in the moon.

The dollar history of what PO man spent on going to, and studying the moon does embrace areas of actual science. Claiming that there was that silly invented impact creation of the moon in you PO dreams is not science. Whatever spirits are or are not in the moon is not in the realm of mere present science. So why spout off claims as if you had the foggiest notion about it??

Your ideas are medieval. I kid you not.
Life is short but the history of the universe is not.

Your attempt at comedy? Can you show us where the temporary universe, and different state past can be found in medieval history? Or shall we simply leave it here, where all can see that you are making stuff up?

you do seem to get more hilarious as you go along.
I only repeated things you have said directly, including thread titles in some cases. They sound silly to everyone including the Average Joe Six Pack crowd because they are silly or in some cases beyond silly.

So reality, and the past are to be measured by average Joe's, now. I see.

No geophysics is only my hobby. I'll let you know when it is done.

OK. What is the basic topic?

 

[consol]

"Bill Anders read Genesis 1:1-4. "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, 'Let there be light:' and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

Jim Lovell took the next four verses. "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, 'Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.' And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

Frank Borman finished with, "And God said, 'Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear': and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas: and God saw that it was good."
Another of the few men on earth that walked on the moon, had communion on the moon, but kept it hush hush, for fear of being sued....

They knew all about shock and awe a thousand years ago,
that's why they built the cathedrals and abbeys the way they did,
they were designed to knock your socks off, and they succeeded.

And they were designed and built by men.

Another man that walked the moon, found renewed faith in God, and made several attempted climbs of Mount Ararat, looking for some proof of Noah's ark. One time, he had to be rescued, and helped down the mountain.

James Irwin was repeatedly drawn to Mount Ararat in hopes of finding Ark wreckage. Through his High Flight Foundation, a non-profit evangelical organization based in Colorado Springs, the former astronaut made six treks to Mount Ararat in an unsuccessful quest to find remains of the ark.

Not the brightest thing to do, even if the story was true,
what did they expect to find after 4000 years sitting out in the open in all winds and weathers? a boat?

A few quotes from him are..

"Jesus Christ waking on the earth is more important than man walking on the moon"


"It was my experience in exploring the moon on the Apollo 15 mission that moved me to devote the rest of my life to spreading the good news of Jesus Christ."

" I felt the power of God as I've never felt it before.

“While on the moon, at the end of the first day exploring the rugged lunar highlands, I was reminded of my favorite Biblical passage from Psalms. While speaking by radio to Mission Control in Houston, I began quoting the passage, ‘I'll look into the hills from whence cometh my help,’"

They were normal men and Christians, what would you expect them to say? "It was just another day at the office",
had they been Muslims they would have praised Allah.

So, looking at science, and Nasa endeavors, it seems that the moon is quite a spiritual place.


I would suggest that, since we know that the inner earth is a place where spirits live, so also is the inner moon!

Isa 66:1 - Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

That almost sounds like He sometimes is so near the earth is like His stool. What heavenly body is nearest to earth?

The interior of the moon, like earth, I would think, by the evidences of science in the form of moon landings, is inhabited by spirits. (i.e. the general strong feeling it was a spiritual place)

In this respect, the package of the moon is like a Christmas present. Lots of neat things inside.
And science doesn't know what is in the center of the moon.

It gives new meaning to the thought that God is watching us. He knows when we are naughty, and He knows when we are nice, ..

This last part explains quite a bit, it tells us where you have been since you last posted here.

So you still think spirits live in the moon, there is only one thing I can advise, change your doctor,
the treatment you have been receiving has not worked very well, unless your have stopped taking your medication again,
that's a bad move Dad, you know it's for your own good, so take it.

 

[TheOutsider]

Whoa, a Dad thread. This is beyond surreal.

 

[Dannager]

Whoa, a Dad thread. This is beyond surreal.

It's like coming online to find someone's left you another Christmas present!

 

[consol]

It seems everyone is glad you are back Dad,
they all want to laugh at you, how does that make you feel? because they are also laughing at the one you represent.

So try not to act like a crack pot, every time you dip into the realms of fantasy, they all laugh at you and your God.

 

[AV1611VET]

It seems everyone is glad you are back Dad,
they all want to laugh at you, how does that make you feel? because they are also laughing at the one you represent.

He's been laughed at before:

[bible]Matthew 9:24[/bible]

He's been accused of being a deceiver before:

[bible]Matthew 27:63[/bible]

God gets accused of a lot of things by those who refuse to look beyond nature.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

He's been laughed at before:

Dad's been laughed at many times before and will be again. His ideas are eminently laughable. Men in the moon indeed. It might not match time running backward or no gravity before the flood but it is still pretty funny.
[bible]Matthew 9:24[/bible]
You're not getting dad confused with Jesus are you? I guess this refers to consul's "one you represent" statement but I disagree with that statement. See below.

He's been accused of being a deceiver before:

Right you indirectly accuse God of being a deceiver everytime you bring up your "embedded age" claim.

[bible]Matthew 27:63[/bible]

God gets accused of a lot of things by those who refuse to look beyond nature.

I am not accusing God of anything and I doubt others here are. The bungling, vindictive, deceptive God of YEC only exists in the minds of extreme Biblical literatists. You are the one claiming God cursed his botched up creation and then destroyed nearly everything with a global flood because it was so messed up he was forced to repent of it. I never accused God of that. You are the one claiming the God had someone write down a story of creation and the flood that is at total variance with the world's geology, archeology and biology. I never accused God of actually doing that. It is Biblical literalists who claim that God turned Lot's poor wife into a pillar of salt, had bears eat a bunch of children for dissing a prophet and ordered the Isrealites to commit all those atrocities in His Name. I never accused God of that. We accuse you of having ideas that would bring God into disrepute if true but I at least don't believe your intrepretation is correct and I am pretty sure most of the people laughing at dad's goofy nonsense don't either.

It is not God who messed up. It is your conception of what God did that is messed up.