Modern day systemic racism, does it exist?

[essentialsaltes]

Systemic racism then?

Yes, that would be a system with a racist outcome.

 

[Aaron112]

Yes, that would be a system with a racist outcome.

So what ? For billions of people it does not matter at all.
For God ? It does not change anything about God at all.

 

[MrMoe]

No. The racist stereotypes were open and widespread and (this is key) directed at applicants by the people judging applicants. In other words, the very function of this (sub)system.

I am unable to believe that 'monkeys' received an impartial evaluation. So if the function of the system was unfair due to racial prejudice -- I.e. employment discrimination -- that failure of the system was systemic racism.

The problem is that there is no evidence it went anywhere beyond comments. One of them who made these comments was a female officer, and the other a Latino officer, a supposedly oppressed racial minority. And LAPD Sgt. Denny Jong, who stood accused of leading the prejudicial banter, is Asian. Another supposedly oppressed racial minority. Those sexist and racist comments didn't seem to disadvantage them.

You're going to have to provide something more than racist comments to show there was employment discrimination.

[Systemic racism is] "a collective failure of an organisation" that "can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour that amount to discrimination through prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness, and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people."

The behavior went unseen and when it was detected it was purged from the system. Systematic anti-racism.

 

[MrMoe]

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Racism means you hate people of a different race because of their race or you think they are inferior because of their race.


I'm not seeing where the racism is in any of these examples which seem to be about income and poverty rather than race.


It seems to those on the left racism means anytime there is an undesirable outcome for a racial minority regardless of the reason.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The problem is that there is no evidence it went anywhere beyond comments.

It is currently being investigated.

 

[RDKirk]

The problem is that there is no evidence it went anywhere beyond comments. One of them who made these comments was a female officer, and the other a Latino officer, a supposedly oppressed racial minority. And LAPD Sgt. Denny Jong, who stood accused of leading the prejudicial banter, is Asian. Another supposedly oppressed racial minority. Those sexist and racist comments didn't seem to disadvantage them.

And that's the point I've been making: Classifiable bigotries will frequently exist where there are significant majority/minority demographics. That's why no mitigative program can presume only certain classifications of people are "oppressors" and only certain classifications of people are "oppressed," which is what DEI does.

The behavior went unseen and when it was detected it was purged from the system. Systematic anti-racism.

There is no evidence yet. It may take a while to determine what the effect of having those people in those roles may have been over time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The behavior went unseen

It was seen, and ignored, by the supervisor.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

I'm not seeing where the racism is in any of these examples which seem to be about income and poverty rather than race.

It can sometimes be difficult to discern the poverty from the racism. But these two examples seem pretty clear.


#2 Predominantly non-white school districts receive around $23 billion less in funding annually compared to their white counterparts, according to a 2019 EdBuild report.

#7 Data from the initiative also shows that if a defendant is Black, prosecutors are twice as likely to ask for a mandatory prison sentence for a drug crime.

 

[RDKirk]

It can sometimes be difficult to discern the poverty from the racism. But these two examples seem pretty clear.


#2 Predominantly non-white school districts receive around $23 billion less in funding annually compared to their white counterparts, according to a 2019 EdBuild report.

The wealthy left (with their NIMBY attitude) is no more eager to resolve that issue than the right. But we know that's a matter of property values, not directly race. It's an economic issue that ultimately must have an economic solution. The solution is not to simply add points to the grades of those students.

#7 Data from the initiative also shows that if a defendant is Black, prosecutors are twice as likely to ask for a mandatory prison sentence for a drug crime.

I haven't seen any study that qualified those statistics with criminal histories.

 

[rjs330]

The problem is that there is no evidence it went anywhere beyond comments. One of them who made these comments was a female officer, and the other a Latino officer, a supposedly oppressed racial minority. And LAPD Sgt. Denny Jong, who stood accused of leading the prejudicial banter, is Asian. Another supposedly oppressed racial minority. Those sexist and racist comments didn't seem to disadvantage them.

You're going to have to provide something more than racist comments to show there was employment discrimination.




The behavior went unseen and when it was detected it was purged from the system. Systematic anti-racism.

Great information. Certainly a very good argument against systemic racism. Did this panel only hire or recommend white people? Let's see some real information.

 

[rjs330]

It is currently being investigated.

Then to be accurate this incident is not evidence of systemic racism. One needs to prove that the words were more than just words and they hired and rejected based on race. We dont have that yet. All we really have is people inappropriately joking around.

 

[Pommer]

Then to be accurate this incident is not evidence of systemic racism. One needs to prove that the words were more than just words and they hired and rejected based on race. We dont have that yet. All we really have is people inappropriately joking around.

Public officials are free to espouse racist attitudes if their actions produce non-racist outcomes?

 

[rjs330]

Public officials are free to espouse racist attitudes if their actions produce non-racist outcomes?

I didn't say that. It's probably a violation of policy. They will most likely be disciplined up to and including dismissal if they haven't already been. Which is proper.

 

[MrMoe]

It is currently being investigated.

And even if it's found it did happen it still wouldn't count as systemic since systemic means: relating to or noting a policy, practice, or set of beliefs that has been established as normative or customary throughout a political, social, or economic system.

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It was seen, and ignored, by the supervisor.

Who was part of the problem, but now they have been dealt with because the LAPD is not systemically racist.

 

[RDKirk]

And even if it's found it did happen it still wouldn't count as systemic since systemic means: relating to or noting a policy, practice, or set of beliefs that has been established as normative or customary throughout a political, social, or economic system.

That's what you might think, but Critical Theory ideology has redefined the word. "Structural Racism" had always meant the actual written laws and policies that produced a racist outcome in society. The dismantling of Structural Racism started in 1964 and continued through the rest of the 20th century.

Yet, there was still racial disparity by most social measurements in the early 80s, so Critical Theorists came up with a new term to define racial disparity that did not depend on written laws and policies: Systemic Racism. Systemic Racism is like the Dark Matter theory of cosmology: We can't see it, we can't detect it, but our theories of what ought to be happening don't work without it.

Who was part of the problem, but now they have been dealt with because the LAPD is not systemically racist.

It's probably not structurally racist, but, like the military, as long as they recruit people out of the general population, they're going to get racists. That's why each organization needs ways to determine if racism is happening, identify the persons causing it, and either re-train them or eliminate them.

Notice: I said nothing about equalizing outcomes. Using methods on the back end to equalize outcomes causes more problems than it resolves.

 

[essentialsaltes]

And even if it's found it did happen it still wouldn't count as systemic since systemic means: relating to or noting a policy, practice, or set of beliefs that has been established as normative or customary throughout a political, social, or economic system.

Only if you skip definition 1 and head to definition 2.

 

[MrMoe]

"of or relating to a system, especially when affecting the entirety of a thing:
systemic flaws in the design and construction of the vehicles."

Were the racist, sexist and homophobic comments of the system itself? No. Did it affect the entirety of the police force? No.

 

[Pommer]

"of or relating to a system, especially when affecting the entirety of a thing:
systemic flaws in the design and construction of the vehicles."

Were the racist, sexist and homophobic comments of the system itself? No. Did it affect the entirety of the police force? No.

If a system isn’t predicated explicitly upon racial philosophies, it cannot be “racist”, regardless of the outcomes?

It must be to nice to be able to define a problem in such a way that the problem simply vanishes because it cannot fit one’s own definition.

Fortunately for the rest of us, this isn’t just up to you and your misconceptions.

 

[rjs330]

If a system isn’t predicated explicitly upon racial philosophies, it cannot be “racist”, regardless of the outcomes?

It must be to nice to be able to define a problem in such a way that the problem simply vanishes because it cannot fit one’s own definition.

Fortunately for the rest of us, this isn’t just up to you and your misconceptions.

In this case the system discovered the problem with some individuals and the system got rid of them, which means the system was not racist. In fact rhe system proved itself to be an anti-racist system.

 

[essentialsaltes]

In this case the system discovered the problem

If that's what you call secret recordings and a lawsuit, okay.