modern day interpretation of EGW

[Stryder06]

Despite the author's religious affiliation, he makes some very interesting points:
Alcohol is Prohibited for Jews and Christians

 

[Stryder06]

Nice explanations here too
Wine in the Bible - Discussion of Bible references to wine and alcohol

 

[JohnMarsten]

just as an example to the first link

In, Isaiah 16:10b, grape juice is called “wine” (yayin) when it is still in the press, saying, "No treaders will tread out wine in the presses" where it clearly cannot be fermented yet.

this is so twisted, its not funny... I wonder if people who write that stuff ever think about what they are writing...

If I asked, what is produced in the wine press, the answer would be wine and not grape juice, nobody says we are producing grape juice and later we gonna make wine out of it...

but if you wanna believe that Stryder, keep on...

 

[JohnMarsten]

another one

Now, “Did Jesus make alcohol for the wedding in Cana? We find the story in, John 2:1-11, in the New Testament.

The person in charge of the wedding, after he had tasted the wine Jesus had just made, commented…”you have kept the good wine until now.” Good wine was fresh grape juice, the fermented grape juice was considered inferior.


how can we know that? we cannot!


was bad wine fermented? what did they call low quality wine? what did they high quality wine? again flawed...
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[JohnMarsten]

the second link involves Bacchiocchi, he is an SDA and will claim anything to get make a point and make some money for himself, is he still that greedy?

 

[Stryder06]

the second link involves Bacchiocchi, he is an SDA and will claim anything to get make a point and make some money for himself, is he still that greedy?

This is why I don't bother sometimes. It's like if the Author is SDA they're automatically disqualified to speak on the subject. I didn't know what his religious affiliation was, nor do I know anything about how greedy he is. I didn't notice the website asking for money either.

How does that take away from what was being said? It correlates directly with the non-adventist author's view wouldn't you say? Either way this is what I believe, so hopefully that settles it in regards to you understanding my perspective on the issue.

 

[JohnMarsten]

This is why I don't bother sometimes. It's like if the Author is SDA they're automatically disqualified to speak on the subject. I didn't know what his religious affiliation was, nor do I know anything about how greedy he is. I didn't notice the website asking for money either.

How does that take away from what was being said? It correlates directly with the non-adventist author's view wouldn't you say? Either way this is what I believe, so hopefully that settles it in regards to you understanding my perspective on the issue.

Look, people who wanna make a point will use sources the encourage that point... there are still many people who think the different... and they are more bible based... they dont have to make assumptions to make a point...

as far as your understanding goes, its all the same for me, like I said in my new approach thread, I have left certain things aside, that doesnt mean I have changed my view points...

I am on my way of becoming more tolerant, and so should you. Sometimes there is no right and wrong in certain scenarios, and two different opinions can co-exist...

 

[Stryder06]

Look, people who wanna make a point will use sources the encourage that point... there are still many people who think the different... and they are more bible based... they dont have to make assumptions to make a point...

as far as your understanding goes, its all the same for me, like I said in my new approach thread, I have left certain things aside, that doesnt mean I have changed my view points...

I am on my way of becoming more tolerant, and so should you. Sometimes there is no right and wrong in certain scenarios, and two different opinions can co-exist...

I agree, but not in this case. We both can't be right about the legitimacy of Sr White's ministry. You see one thing, and I see another. That happens. But to say she is contradicting the word is a stance that is either all true or all false. I was adding sources that do a better job of explaining what I believe. This validates Sr White's stance also. I know there were some issues with me "dancing around questions" before, so I figured this would be a good way to get my explanation across to your initial question.

 

[JohnMarsten]

I agree, but not in this case. We both can't be right about the legitimacy of Sr White's ministry. You see one thing, and I see another. That happens. But to say she is contradicting the word is a stance that is either all true or all false. I was adding sources that do a better job of explaining what I believe. This validates Sr White's stance also. I know there were some issues with me "dancing around questions" before, so I figured this would be a good way to get my explanation across to your initial question.

The legitimacy of egw lies in the eye of the beholder...

And like I said I am leaving Egw behind...

 

[Stryder06]

And like I said I am leaving Egw behind...

Ok. That works for me.

 

[mmksparbud]

Bacchioccoli (I just know I missspelled that!)was an SdA--he is dead--he wrote a book about the sabbath, and he got some sort of medal from the pope (the previous one) for it--which many SDA's complained about as though he was courting them--he wasn't--he just wrote about keeping the Sabbath and that there is no biblical proof that early chistians kept it and traced how it was started by the first Pope. The pope was in agreement. To make him out to be greedy is making a judgement on him that you have no right to make. Should someone call you a self-important attention seeker?? I think we can leave the name calling behind--it is not christian.

 

[tall73]

Bacchiocchi had some interesting stuff that he wrote. I don't agree with all of it, but I do think that he did agree with it. I don't think it was all about profit.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Bacchioccoli (I just know I missspelled that!)was an SdA--he is dead--he wrote a book about the sabbath, and he got some sort of medal from the pope (the previous one) for it--which many SDA's complained about as though he was courting them--he wasn't--he just wrote about keeping the Sabbath and that there is no biblical proof that early chistians kept it and traced how it was started by the first Pope. The pope was in agreement. To make him out to be greedy is making a judgement on him that you have no right to make. Should someone call you a self-important attention seeker?? I think we can leave the name calling behind--it is not christian.

well, I didnt know bacciochi is dead, as for his greediness I have my own experience with him. I contacted him once with a specific question, instead of giving me an aswer he sent me a link to buy a set of his books... yep...

Now, I told this to an SDA professor, he wasnt surprised and told me that Sam was invited to serve in one of the eastern european countries at a camp meeting which he declined because he saw no opportunity to sell his books there (eastern europe probably cant afford).

Of course, I never knew him personally, so I cant rightly say if he was greedy or if he wasnt, it was solely based on my personal experience and what was confirmed by some reputable person.

 

[Sophia7]

well, I didnt know bacciochi is dead, as for his greediness I have my own experience with him. I contacted him once with a specific question, instead of giving me an aswer he sent me a link to buy a set of his books... yep...

Now, I told this to an SDA professor, he wasnt surprised and told me that Sam was invited to serve in one of the eastern european countries at a camp meeting which he declined because he saw no opportunity to sell his books there (eastern europe probably cant afford).

Of course, I never knew him personally, so I cant rightly say if he was greedy or if he wasnt, it was solely based on my personal experience and what was confirmed by some reputable person.

Well, I know that he promoted his own books a lot, and I know people who took classes from him and said that he required his students to buy his books. That's not unusual for professors who have written books on the subjects that they teach, though. That doesn't mean that he didn't really believe what he wrote. I found his books on the Sabbath quite helpful even though I didn't agree with many of his conclusions.

 

[JohnMarsten]

Well, I know that he promoted his own books a lot, and I know people who took classes from him and said that he required his students to buy his books. That's not unusual for professors who have written books on the subjects that they teach, though. That doesn't mean that he didn't really believe what he wrote. I found his books on the Sabbath quite helpful even though I didn't agree with many of his conclusions.

His 'greediness' was the first thing that comes to my mind when I hear the name...

Like I said I dont know if he was greedy or not, but thats the picture that I got about him

I guess everyone rather wants to earn more than less money, and thats OK in general,

but would you decline going to a poorer country to preach at a camp meeting because no books might be sold or at least not so much... what was the priority? preaching to the people or selling books to them?

 

[JohnMarsten]

but of course there is no point in discussing a late persons greediness and stuff, in the end it doesnt add or take away from his merits, which are a matter of its own... I heard that he was somehow involved with the catholic church and even presented historic views that went against SDA teachings, but dont ask me, I never went into it. WHat I dislike about him was his treating me, instead of providing an answer I got a link to buy books.

Will you give a brother a stone when he is in need of an egg?

 

[Sophia7]

but of course there is no point in discussing a late persons greediness and stuff, in the end it doesnt add or take away from his merits, which are a matter of its own... I heard that he was somehow involved with the catholic church and even presented historic views that went against SDA teachings, but dont ask me, I never went into it. WHat I dislike about him was his treating me, instead of providing an answer I got a link to buy books.

Will you give a brother a stone when he is in need of an egg?

Yes, that's what I found especially interesting about his book From Sabbath to Sunday--his view of history disagrees with EGW's view of history, particularly in regard to when and how the Christian practice of assembling for worship on Sundays came about.

I can see why you would have been put off by his trying to get you to buy his books, though, when you were looking for answers.

 

[OntheDL]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...w&ved=0CCUQBSgA&q=samuele+bacchiocchi&spell=1Samuele Bacchiocchi studied under a Jesuit professor in the most prestigious Jesuit University Pontifical Gregorian University of Rome founded by St. Ignatius of Loyola himself. His book from Saturday to Sunday received papal imprimatur: pope's seal of approval, meaning in accordance with Catholic teaching.

This Roman Catholic was the theology professor in Andrews university. He and other Roman Catholics taught and continue to teach SDA pastoral students in SDA schools, colleges and seminaries.

I read his book and endtime issue letters. They exhibit classical Jesuit writing style: meaning the author takes no position in a controversy, at least he pretends to, while introducing grey areas of doubt. This is the art of clouding the mind while the conscious might reject the message the subconscious retains whatever it encounters.

 

[tall73]

They exhibit classical Jesuit writing style: meaning the author takes no position in a controversy, at least he pretends to, while introducing grey areas of doubt. This is the art of clouding the mind while the conscious might reject the message the subconscious retains whatever it encounters.

Well then how can you all accuse Pythons of being a Jesuit?

He never shied away from controversial opinions!

He trots that ape picture out in about every thread!

 

[OntheDL]

Well then how can you all accuse Pythons of being a Jesuit?

He never shied away from controversial opinions!

He trots that ape picture out in about every thread!

I have no idea what you are talking about. I rarely ever read what Python writes. Actually from the little I read, he seems to lack cohesion in the post. But I have not paid enough attention to what he writes.