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Please enlighten me. What is Christmas all about?
It's about the biggest sales of the year!
Black Friday
Small Business Saturday
Cyber Monday
Save! Save! Save! up to 50% on everything in the store! (And then be ready to return more than half of it the day after Christmas).
That's the commercial side of it yes. However, that is not the meaning of Christmas.
No, it's not. But that's what the secular world focuses on. Christians can, and should, focus on Christ's birth and celebrate that. Some do and some don't. But the option of doing so is there.
I think we need to do more.Secular is perhaps a better word than commercial. Yes, Christians should and I believe most do, celebrate Christmas as the birthday of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
I think we need to do more.
When we buy greeting cards don’t buy with “Happy Holiday” but with cards that say “Merry Christmas” and show are faith, not snowmen or Santa or a wreath.
I think we need to be LOUDER
Really? All the Christians I know are fully aware of the fact that we're celebrating the birth of our Lord Christ, the second most important even in the hostory of the universe. Seems to be that a Christian woulf have to be uncommonly dense not to know that.I dont think many Christians even know what they are truly celebrating on Christmas now.
If that's how it is in your church, you might want to rethink your choice of places to worship.Its not the birth of Christ, if it is, they are making a total mockery of his birth.
Again, if you're of the opinion that Santa Claus is greater than Jesus, then you're spending too much time with unbelievers, and/or watching teevee.The day has now turned in a commercial retail holiday, in which Santa Claus is greater than Jesus
Careful, this is gonna ruin your argument that The World Loves Christmas.Merry Christmas will probably offend or get a person almost fired from their job, and a nativity scene is almost pretty much a no now adays.
Yeah, those old pagan sun god worshipers just doted on Elvis and Santa Claus.Christmas trees, Elves, reindeer, a fat man going down your chimney, mistletoe, and yule logs have zero to do with Christ and are all based on Pagan sungod worship
Yep, that's why we're at mass on Christmas Eve. No Santa Clauses in evidence. Ditto Lessons & Carols at the beginning of Advent (you may not have heard of Advent, not much play on the idiot box, and no Santy Clauses or imaginary pagan associations for you to inveigh against). I reckon you'd be horsewhipped before you went to church on Christmas Eve. People might think you'd turned into a sun worshiper., yet many Christians that claim the day is about Jesus for them
If you're doing stuff that God hates when the rest of the Church is worshiping the birth of our Lord, then by all means stop it.Starting to think God probably hates our modern day Christmas.
The Heavenly Host surely did!If I remember correctly, the first Christians didn't celebrate the birth of Christ
And they didn't allow the wearing of the color green because they considered it pagan, and they considered marriage to be strictly a civil contract and not a covenant before God. They had other weird notions too. Hardly people we need to emulate.and the Pilgrims outlawed celebrating Christmas when they came here.
No magic in the date, it's simply the date the Church chose for the holiday, nine months after date that the angel told the Blessed Virgin that she would bear the Son of God.My question is: Is Christmas even an authentic Christian holiday since Jesus wasn't even born in December
The Heavenly Host celebrated His birth in such a way that it was visible and audible on Earth. Seems like good enough example for us to follow.and there's no bible mandate to celebrate his birth?
Nope.If I understand correctly, there were some pagan oriented rituals integrated into the Christ Mass by the Catholic Church
No really must be going to a jacked up church if that's what Christmas means to y'all.Christmas has always been a joke. It’s a pagan holiday, always has been, and always will be
Really? Whose birth do you reckon we're celebrating?It has absolutely nothing to do with the Messiah of Israel
Baloney. If you don't think the birth of our Lord was important enough to celebrate, then I'm thinking you've got a very strange set of priorities.even for Christians celebrating it as the birth of the Messiah, it’s a vain tradition that’s abominable in the eyes of God
None of that for us, though. Warn't all that big a deal to us. Just the Incarnation of God Himself, that's all.And then it came to be so and the shepherds were afraid but the angel was joined by heavenly host sending praise and they had to go see this miracle.
Nah, forget it. There's work to be done, bills to be paid, no end of mundane stuff that takes priority over knocking off a day to join with other believers to celebrate the coming of the Lord of Glory. Beside, a few thousand years ago some ignorant pagan may have worshiped some nonexistent "deity" or the other during December, so we probably shouldn't worship the Lord at all during that month so people don't mistake us for Odinists for devotees of the ancient Estonian Turtle God. I mean, how would they know the difference? <Laugh>These things can be celebrated 24/7 and 365 days a year, though we do need to take a break to honor the work He did for us. Amen ?
Almost exactly like Christmas, except Saturnalia. No Mass, no worship of Christ, no prayers to God the father, no season of Advent leading up to it. It did have some of the features that pretty much all celebrations have among pretty much everyone, everywhere, through all of hostory: feasting, drinking, the exchange of gifts, and suchlike. People will be people, won't they?You should really have a read up on Saturnalia because it is a old Roman festival before Christmas and was celebrated at a similar time. Very similar to Christmas.
On the winter solstice, ,actually. There was no "December 25th" in those days, different calendar, and the solstice changes over the years. And few if any traditions carried over to the Christian feast observed at about the same time.And also read up Sol Invictus which happens to have a birthday of Dec 25.
Of course! <Laugh>Any information coming from a Christian source must be set aside as incapable of being objective, but anything from another source which indicts Christianity is automatically to be believed? Something about that seems wrong.
Wait, I think the pagan Umbwebwe tribe of lower south east Africa did a sacred line dance to their potato god on that 7 January, so any Christian feast observed on the same day is de facto worshiping The Sacred Tater.There are some Christians who celebrate Christmas on the 7th of January.
Hilarious!Since the thread of this topic is Christmas, a short article which summarizes what happened. Basically, the veneer of Christmas covering over pagan belief and practice.
Why Christmas is held on 25th December
That's the commercial side of it yes. However, that is not the meaning of Christmas.
There's a great essay by C.S. Lewis, arguing that there are two different holidays (Exmas and Krismas) happening on the same day.
Wait, I think the pagan Umbwebwe tribe of lower south east Africa did a sacred line dance to their potato god on that 7 January, so any Christian feast observed on the same day is de facto worshiping The Sacred Tater.
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