MLK Day and the White community

[MachZer0]

I see. Like I stated:

Hardly. You misrepresented me. Was it intentional?

 

[praying]

Hardly. You misrepresented me. Was it intentional?

Hardly, as is in I did not misrepresent you.

 

[MachZer0]

What's your proof that MLK consorted with prostitutes?

I didn't know that issue was in dispute. What would qualify as proof to you?

 

[MachZer0]

Hardly, as is in I did not misrepresent you.

Clearly you did since I never metioned anything about Nevada.

 

[praying]

Clearly you did since I never metioned anything about Nevada.

No you didn't mention Nevada I did, that would be called an analogy.

Main Entry: anal·o·gy
Pronunciation: &-'na-l&-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
1 : inference that if two or more things agree with one another in some respects they will prob. agree in others
2 a : resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : SIMILARITY b : comparison based on such resemblance
3 : correspondence between the members of pairs or sets of linguistic forms that serves as a basis for the creation of another form
4 : correspondence in function between anatomical parts of different structure and origin -- compare HOMOLOGY
synonym see LIKENESS


You stated:

I find it odd that we have a holiday for a man who plagiarized papers and speeches, consorted with prostitutes and anti-american communists two of our greatest presidents have to share a single day.

I then stated:

As we can see from one poster the holding of slaves by a president can be overlooked in terms of moral character but he is still expected to be celebrated. Why is that?

You then stated

Part of the difference between Washington, Lee and MLK is that while Lee and Washington were slaveowners, it was perfectly legal. MLK, however, engaged in illegal activity by using the services of prostitutes

I then asked:

Are you saying if it is legal, such as in prostitution in Nevada that is morally okay to do? Is that the thread you really want to hang by?

That was the analogy, the comparison of the moral rightness or wrongness of legalized prostitution in Nevada to legalized slavery.

It seems to me that what you are stating is that since it was legal to own another human being that somehow makes a difference in terms of the moral right or wrong.

Make no mistakes both are wrong, in my eyes however I think the owning, and selling of human beings is a greater moral blight than having sex with a prostitute, but that could be my bias given the history of my people in this country. We are all subject to some form of bias.

 

[MachZer0]

No you didn't mention Nevada I did, that would be called an analogy.

Main Entry: anal·o·gy
Pronunciation: &-'na-l&-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
1 : inference that if two or more things agree with one another in some respects they will prob. agree in others
2 a : resemblance in some particulars between things otherwise unlike : SIMILARITY b : comparison based on such resemblance
3 : correspondence between the members of pairs or sets of linguistic forms that serves as a basis for the creation of another form
4 : correspondence in function between anatomical parts of different structure and origin -- compare HOMOLOGY
synonym see LIKENESS


You stated:



I then stated:




You then stated


I then asked:



That was the analogy, the comparison of the moral rightness or wrongness of legalized prostitution in Nevada to legalized slavery.

It seems to me that what you are stating is that since it was legal to own another human being that somehow makes a difference in terms of the moral right or wrong.

Make no mistakes both are wrong, in my eyes however I think the owning, and selling of human beings is a greater moral blight than having sex with a prostitute, but that could be my bias given the history of my people in this country. We are all subject to some form of bias.

I don't find anything inherently immoral about owning slaves. The immorality would come into play depending on how they were treated

 

[reverend B]

I don't find anything inherently immoral about owning slaves. The immorality would come into play depending on how they were treated

there is nothing inherently bad about owning humans?

 

[praying]

I don't find anything inherently immoral about owning slaves. The immorality would come into play depending on how they were treated

 

[praying]

there is nothing inherently bad about owning humans?

Like I stated:

I was pointing out the hypocracy and bias of the objection to MLK.

As they say it all omes out in the wash.

 

[hernyaccent]

Who made the neighborhood that way?




I don't think I-485 would have any such problem. MLK Beltway or Freeway wouldn't draw opposition there.



That explanation won't fly. Blacks are as racist as anybody else.




Everybody does indeed make mistakes and there doesn't seem to be any hesitation about finger pointing in other cases. I don't see where MLK should be any different.

What makes a poverty ridden neighborhood?Unless you have live/lived in one you probably won't understand. For many of the people I grew up with and most of my family it's about limitations in life. Lack of education, jobs and what some would consider basic everyday needs. Yet when they turn on the tv they see capitalism. I don't condone the actions of the criminals and looters in these neighbors but I understand them

I was reading an article the other day and it had a very interesting point--it was about the crime rate. I think it's probably the most honest opinion I have seen in a long time.

" This doesn't matter to the middle and upper claass, because we figured out how to deal with it. Partly we created enclaves where criminals have a harder time getting to us, and instead must be content with preying on their own neighborshoods."

--The Hallmark of the Underclass By Charles Murray


Do I hold blacks responsible for the way our areas are? YES.Like I said I understand why it is the way it is because capitalism will never come to the "ghetto" but I wish blacks ( as a group) would get their ish together. Since I was one of the lucky few who "escaped" I try to step up and be a leader in my old community.

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I saw a documentary about the issue of naming many rodes MLK and it was difficult. You would be suprised.

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Some blacks are racist, more blacks are prejudice. I believe it's something that needs to be erased but once again something I understand.

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Do I think great people who do so called " moral wrongs" should be looked at for their bad and no their good? No. Morals are a very, very subjective thing in my opinion and will always remain that way.

 

[hernyaccent]

I don't find anything inherently immoral about owning slaves. The immorality would come into play depending on how they were treated

WOW! Enough said.

SO you wouldn't mind if I bought you and controlled everything you do as long as it's in a "humane" manor?

 

[reverend B]

Good site on Martin Luther King Jr. Day: http://www.martinlutherking.org/

i noticed that you had a christian icon. i have always wanted someone to explain to me what stormfront and the klan used to connect themselves with Christ. i never thought i would find one that would climb out of the closet and show themselves, so i am anxious for this opportunity. would you help me out by explaining how anyone with a relationship with Christ could reccommend a site that is as bigoted and hateful as the one you suggest we all take advantage of. of course, it is useful because many people have no idea that the heart can actually become as dark as the people who create such a site, or those that reccommend them. that is good information to have, as it makes one aware of how the evil one works, and how evil he can be.
anyway, enough about him. lets talk about you!

 

[MachZer0]

WOW! Enough said.

SO you wouldn't mind if I bought you and controlled everything you do as long as it's in a "humane" manor?

Not if I was for sale

 

[reverend B]

Not if I was for sale

got to admire someone that sticks to their guns no matter what. LOL!!!
WWJD?

 

[MachZer0]

got to admire someone that sticks to their guns no matter what. LOL!!!
WWJD?

Did Jesus condemn slavery?

 

[reverend B]

Did Jesus condemn slavery?

does that answer my question, or simply avoid it?

 

[Jetgirl]

WOW!! Are you're black co-workers aware of this? If so, have you ever asked them why they think this is?

Well... yeah.

Its my black coworkers who are usually asked by the client if they have a white person available. I just happened to catch one on the phone the other day.

They don't really care. The other LO will pass their next new client on to them in exchange. My coworker Ronnie thinks it's because they don't trust young(ish) black people (our clients are elderly), they think whites are more professional-looking.

None of us have had the huevos to ask when it happens though. We just say yes sir and get them what they want.

 

[MachZer0]

does that answer my question, or simply avoid it?

OK. I say Jesus would agree with me. Did He condemn slavery?

 

[reverend B]

OK. I say Jesus would agree with me. Did He condemn slavery?

he said to love our neighbor. is owning a human loving?
i truly never thought i would ever have this conversation. i never imagined i would have to defend the abolitionists. i will be very interested to see if anyone backs you up. very.
by the way, is there any scriptural evidence for Moses' attitude toward slavery?

 

[MachZer0]

he said to love our neighbor. is owning a human loving?

Does that answer my question, or simply avoid it?

i truly never thought i would ever have this conversation. i never imagined i would have to defend the abolitionists. i will be very interested to see if anyone backs you up. very.

You're tolerant of people who hold views that disagree with you, aren't you?