mixing theology

[IWTALCT]

ok i know some1 who believes in pre-tribulation and everything like a (is this a good way to say this?)(im not saying SDA ppl and other ppl who dont believe like this aren't normal!) regular Christian but like SDA believe that when you die you "sleep" and etc.. well does this make sense too you? im not saying for SDA to bring out scriptures tryin to disprove pre-tribulation and nonSDA try to bring down SDA but does it make sense? and have you ever heard of some1 that believes like this?


Edit: In a nutshell he believes like SDA about hell and "soul sleep" ,but other then that he believes like a normal Christian.

 

[moicherie]

I have never heard of pretripulation, what is it?

 

[Seraph1m]

I believe he means "pre-tribulation".

I have never heard of pretripulation, what is it?

 

[IWTALCT]

I have never heard of pretripulation, what is it?

2 things 1.im guessing you was raised SDA? 2. here is the pre-tribulation belief in a nut shell:The rapture will come were all the Christians will go straight to heaven and then for 7 yrs a tribulation will happen and in it those who accept Christ as their savior during the tribulation will be killed the antichrist will make you take the mark and if you dont you will be killed but only Christians wont take the mark and at the end the battle of Armagedon will happen Christ will win 1000 yrs of peace and then i forgot i think you should look it up there is alot more then what i said

 

[SassySDA]

I have never heard of pretripulation, what is it?

Pre-TRIBULATION, "The Left Behind" fantasy stories, "secret" rapture as some denoms call it.

This theory also gives one the perception that there will be a second chance to be saved, even after Jesus returns the first time for the Righteous.

The church I was raised in taught that. No, they didn't teach that people sleep when they die, they taught the immediate ascension to Heaven, or descension to Hell.

 

[PaleHorse]

2 things 1.im guessing you was raised SDA? 2. here is the pre-tribulation belief in a nut shell:The rapture will come were all the Christians will go straight to heaven and then for 7 yrs a tribulation will happen and in it those who accept Christ as their savior during the tribulation will be killed the antichrist will make you take the mark and if you dont you will be killed but only Christians wont take the mark and at the end the battle of Armagedon will happen Christ will win 1000 yrs of peace and then i forgot i think you should look it up there is alot more then what i said

Well, I can't speak for everyone (of course) but I was not raised Adventist, the reason I believe the way I do is based upon scripture soley. And while the scriptures do say there will be tribulation near the end it won't be 7 years long nor will anyone be secretly raptured prior to it.

 

[Airdude]

Well, I can't speak for everyone (of course) but I was not raised Adventist, the reason I believe the way I do is based upon scripture soley. And while the scriptures do say there will be tribulation near the end it won't be 7 years long nor will anyone be secretly raptured prior to it.

I don't think we have any way of knowing how long or short the tribulation will be. I think it would be a good idea to be ready for Christ's return before the tribulation begins since we know that it is coming soon although we don't know when and we don't know how long it will last. I would be surprised if it lasts as long as seven years!

 

[moicherie]

I believe he means "pre-tribulation".

Oh I see, see what being up too late does to ya OK heard of tribulation but not heard of pretribulation either and yes I was raised Adventist but that jargon was never used in my part of the world.

 

[Sophia7]

ok i know some1 who believes in pre-tribulation and everything like a (is this a good way to say this?)(im not saying SDA ppl and other ppl who dont believe like this aren't normal!) regular Christian but like SDA believe that when you die you "sleep" and etc.. well does this make sense too you? im not saying for SDA to bring out scriptures tryin to disprove pre-tribulation and nonSDA try to bring down SDA but does it make sense? and have you ever heard of some1 that believes like this?

Edit: In a nutshell he believes like SDA about hell and "soul sleep" ,but other then that he believes like a normal Christian.

Seventh-day Adventists believe that the tribulation (we don't know how long it will be) will precede Jesus' Second Coming and that everyone living at that time will still be on earth (no pre-trib rapture). We also believe that Jesus' coming will be visible to everyone on earth (not secret) and that He will resurrect the righteous dead (those who have trusted in Him for their salvation) and take them to heaven at that time along with the righteous living. Those who have not trusted in Him will be killed by the brightness of His glory at His coming. Then we will spend the millennium in heaven while Satan is confined to earth with no one to tempt. After the millennium, all of the dead will be resurrected, and the final judgment will occur. The earth will be destroyed by fire and Satan and his evil angels (demons) and the unrighteous (those who did not trust in God for their salvation) will be destroyed as well--not tormented for eternity but consumed by the fire. Then the earth will be made new, and the New Jerusalem will come down from heaven, and we will spend eternity in the New Earth.

I won't post Scriptures here since you said that you are not wanting us to prove our doctrine. If you are interested in reading more, you can go to our official web site (link below) and read the fundamental beliefs (the last four deal with this subject); biblical evidence is also listed. For anyone who is interested, I am also posting a link to some study guides that go through the Bible texts and explain our beliefs.

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/storacle_lessons.asp

 

[PaleHorse]

I don't think we have any way of knowing how long or short the tribulation will be. I think it would be a good idea to be ready for Christ's return before the tribulation begins since we know that it is coming soon although we don't know when and we don't know how long it will last. I would be surprised if it lasts as long as seven years!

True, there is no scripture that indicates how long the tribulation at the end will be as far as I can tell - I do know that EGW says 5 months but I'm sure even that is variable depending upon where one lives when the hammer comes down (so to speak).

The bottom line is, and I think we'd all agree with this point, is that historically God sees His people through tribulation, not from triblulation; and there is no biblical indication that He will change this pattern in the end days.

 

[IWTALCT]

The earth will be destroyed by fire and Satan and his evil angels (demons) and the unrighteous (those who did not trust in God for their salvation) will be destroyed as well--not tormented for eternity but consumed by the fire. Then the earth will be made new, and the New Jerusalem will come down from heaven, and we will spend eternity in the New Earth.

What about Revelation 20:10? [BIBLE]Revelation 20:10[/BIBLE]

 

[SassySDA]

What about Revelation 20:10? Revelation 20:10And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Forever doesn't mean the same thing as "for all eternity" in the bible. Sodom and Gomorrah, are they still burning today? No, they aren't.

While I believe Satan will be tormented a tad bit longer, it won't be forever, because the "lake of fire" is on this earth, exactly where New Jerusalem is coming down to rest on. The bible clearly states this, and it also clearly states that we will "walk on the ashes" of the wicked.

 

[IWTALCT]

Forever doesn't mean the same thing as "for all eternity" in the bible. Sodom and Gomorrah, are they still burning today? No, they aren't.

While I believe Satan will be tormented a tad bit longer, it won't be forever, because the "lake of fire" is on this earth, exactly where New Jerusalem is coming down to rest on. The bible clearly states this, and it also clearly states that we will "walk on the ashes" of the wicked.

ok i know because ive been watching the movies at amazing facts.com