Mixed Messages.....

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

The lingo is KILLING me - must decode . . .

ROFLIAO

Right On . . .

Rolling On Floor Lest I . . .

Rolling On Floor Laughing In . . .

Oh . . . it's Moriah . . so it's ITS

Rolling On Floor Laughing Its . . . oh I get it now!

Excellent! You win a free brain cookie, and seven cool points with Moriah which you may apply in our upcoming drawing to win a free night with the Goetic servitor of your choice.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Moriah..... amen.... thank you..... thank you.... and thank you.....

anytime Friend.

 

[StormyOne]

It isn't I that's denying the obvious. You set in motion your understanding in your post to Mankin.

You know, I never addressed this post of yours. Maybe I should have.

Who's to say that even in our most difficult and trying times and yes, even that very time that leads to our death that God isn't there protecting us? Why is it that people feel that somehow it is God's responsibility to deliver them from harms way in this life and if He doesn't somehow He's fallen asleep at the wheel? We are never promised that God will deliver us in this life. Peter is a perfect example. Peter was delivered by God from the chains of imprisonment only to be crucified upside down later. Was God not with Him like He was the first time? Was God on a coffee break and didn't hear the "prayer phone" ring? Or could it be that whether in life or in death God promised Peter He would be with him? Isn't it odd that we (including me sometimes) feel we deserve to be delivered in the very body that God give us to worship Him in?
Why anticipate or assume that God is required somehow to deliver us in this world and not the next? Are you saying that if God doesn't deliver us from starving to death like that little boy in the picture that somehow God can't or won't deliver us in the next life?

Are you suggesting that if God doesn't swoop down with a mighty arm to stop that plane from crashing and burning which results in the death of hundreds that somehow God can't or won't deliver us in the next life?

Are you suggesting that if we are killed unjustly by armies that seek to kill for absolutely no good reason that somehow God can't or won't deliver us in the next life?


And your questions seem to suggest that it's all God's fault that these things happen when in fact we are at war with an unseen enemy seeking to destroy and devour us and separate us from the matchless love of God.

So tell us Stormy, what point were you trying to make? Hmmmm?

There are those who have responded to the questions posed who understand the scope of the question... as we are several pages and posts removed from the initial question and you are still asking what is the point, it is clear you don't get it and I doubt very seriously that you will.... so I would recommend one of two things, go back to the beginning and reread every post until you "get it", or admit you don't get it and move to another thread.... Makes me no difference which..... there is a third option but I am sure you aren't ready for it, but here it is, go back and just read Moriah's responses, there is much enlightenment in what she said though its debatable that you will see it, and if you did see it you would be able to digest it....

 

[RND]

There are those who have responded to the questions posed who understand the scope of the question...

Indeed.

as we are several pages and posts removed from the initial question and you are still asking what is the point, it is clear you don't get it and I doubt very seriously that you will....

Nothing in the OP has changed since we've ventured down the road we have traveled. The simple fact of the matter is that many have posted here that have clearly pointed out to you what the actual answers are to the questions asked in the OP.

It's not my fault you haven't understood those answers.

so I would recommend one of two things, go back to the beginning and reread every post until you "get it", or admit you don't get it and move to another thread....

Actually, I've read this thread several times, but mainly your responses since you are the OP. As I stated above many have answered the OP quite well. You seem to have let those answers fly right over your head.

Makes me no difference which.....

As the OP the least you could do is take a stab at answering the myriad of questions that have been asked of you. In that you are rather coy in your responses as opposed to willingly answering the questions asked of you I have to conclude these are questions you have no answers to.

there is a third option but I am sure you aren't ready for it, but here it is, go back and just read Moriah's responses, there is much enlightenment in what she said though its debatable that you will see it, and if you did see it you would be able to digest it....

Stormy, you're the OP. Why should I have to read another poster's responses to learn what it is you think?

 

[Adventtruth]

RND...nice to see you and I are in agreement here. But you must admit that the first posting you wrote used language to suggest that you where literal in your beliefs. Sorry for saying you believed the Catholic teaching but you sorta left me with no choice.

Also if I may be of some help to you. I've seen Stormy post on other boards over the years. Stormy knows and undestands your beliefs. He was/is? SDA for years. But from just sitting back and reading Stormy's postings after I had a simular fight with him as you are now, I've learned that Stormy really thinks out side the traditional box that we Christ dwell in. He is not looking for traditional answers for what ever reasons. If you want to make peace with him you can do one of two things.

(1)Don't respond to him if you are willing to respond with traditional christian ideas because he is not looking for answers that limit his idea of who God is. If you do, the conversation will turn negative with insults because of the disagreements that will come....its nothing personal.

(2) Do respond to him, but only outside of traditional christianity. Just because Stormy dwells outside the box, does not mean he is not a brother in the Lord, just as if you and I decide to got out side the box and reason outside the box, does not means we are not being faithful to whats inside the box.

If you can't do number two, then I suggest that you do number one. Just my two cents. Hope it helps.

AT

AT, we're on the same page. When I refer to the "candy coated rotten apple" analogy I not suggesting that is some way that isn't a general part of our salvation. Christ's shed blood certainly covers our sin. But it goes much deeper than that. After our sins our covered with His blood we then begin to take on His character and His nature. That shadow was seen in the "eating" of the Passover lamb. We are drawn ever deeper to Christ by what He has done and that is reflected in our lives.

AT, you're missing a valuable point here. I don't believe in transubstantiation or that we become Gods either. What I am suggesting is that through the Father drawing us ever nearer and our taking in Christ spiritually (is there any other way) we begin to "reflect" the character and nature of Christ. This is how the old man is cast out and the new man realized. What was done physically as a shadow of things to come in the ceremonies and sacrifices of old has been replaced in the spiritual realm by what is done today.

AT, your tone isn't necessary here in light of the many fine comments you've sent me privately regarding a number of my posts here in this thread. Please let's be civil with each other.

What Christ was saying in John here is indeed "spiritual" language and not "literal" language. That's why many of His would be disciples left Him at this time because they did not understand what Jesus was saying was spiritual.

We no longer have to physically take a Passover lamb, kill it and place it's blood on the doorposts of our lives to make sure the angel of death passes over us. But we still do this on a "spiritual" level when we accept the Passover lamb that died on the cross at Calvary. When we "eat" of this lamb that is, take in His life and His word into ours, we are covered with His blood.

These things are done in an Adventist ceremony as a representation of what was done. Adventist don't, and I certainly don't, believe that Jesus' actual flesh and blood is entering my body.

When I say I don't believe in Transubstantiation are you willing to take my word for it friend? The things we see in type and anti-type from the old and new have been made full in the life and death of Christ.

 

[StormyOne]

RND...nice to see you and I are in agreement here. But you must admit that the first posting you wrote used language to suggest that you where literal in your beliefs. Sorry for saying you believed the Catholic teaching but you sorta left me with no choice.

Also if I may be of some help to you. I've seen Stormy post on other boards over the years. Stormy knows and undestands your beliefs. He was/is? SDA for years. But from just sitting back and reading Stormy's postings after I had a simular fight with him as you are now, I've learned that Stormy really thinks out side the traditional box that we Christ dwell in. He is not looking for traditional answers for what ever reasons. If you want to make peace with him you can do one of two things.

(1)Don't respond to him if you are willing to respond with traditional christian ideas because he is not looking for answers that limit his idea of who God is. If you do, the conversation will turn negative with insults because of the disagreements that will come....its nothing personal.

(2) Do respond to him, but only outside of traditional christianity. Just because Stormy dwells outside the box, does not mean he is not a brother in the Lord, just as if you and I decide to got out side the box and reason outside the box, does not means we are not being faithful to whats inside the box.

If you can't do number two, then I suggest that you do number one. Just my two cents. Hope it helps.

AT

AT this is twice in one week where I find myself in agreement with you..... I cannot add anything to what you have said....

 

[RND]

RND...nice to see you and I are in agreement here. But you must admit that the first posting you wrote used language to suggest that you where literal in your beliefs. Sorry for saying you believed the Catholic teaching but you sorta left me with no choice.

Sorry I didn't make myself clearer AT. Let make myself clear in that I believe all the physical things of the Old covenant types have been transferred to a spiritual observance of the anti-type.

Also if I may be of some help to you. I've seen Stormy post on other boards over the years. Stormy knows and undestands your beliefs. He was/is? SDA for years. But from just sitting back and reading Stormy's postings after I had a simular fight with him as you are now, I've learned that Stormy really thinks out side the traditional box that we Christ dwell in. He is not looking for traditional answers for what ever reasons. If you want to make peace with him you can do one of two things.

(1)Don't respond to him if you are willing to respond with traditional christian ideas because he is not looking for answers that limit his idea of who God is. If you do, the conversation will turn negative with insults because of the disagreements that will come....its nothing personal.

(2) Do respond to him, but only outside of traditional christianity. Just because Stormy dwells outside the box, does not mean he is not a brother in the Lord, just as if you and I decide to got out side the box and reason outside the box, does not means we are not being faithful to whats inside the box.

Thanks for the advice AT, I appreciate it. Stormy is one of those posters that says one thing but means another but lets the one asking the questions trying to figure him out. Asking questions is generally the best way to get to the bottom of where someone is coming from. When questions aren't answered it leaves the whole discussion in flux.

If you can't do number two, then I suggest that you do number one. Just my two cents. Hope it helps.

Thanks again. I think at this point I'd be better off slamming a hammer in my head several hundred times than to try to get to the bottom line of what Stormy is peddling.

Maybe Moriah can answer for him.

 

[StormyOne]

RND, I say what exactly what I mean, unfortunately it appears you cannot wrap your brain around it.... so if hitting yourself in the head with a hammer is something you feel you need to do, by all means.... perhaps after said exercise you will grasp what is being discussed..... I am not peddling anything but I understand you are too insecure to explore the concepts so you feel as if something is being peddled.... that's your issue not mine....

 

[RND]

RND, I say what exactly what I mean, unfortunately it appears you cannot wrap your brain around it.... so if hitting yourself in the head with a hammer is something you feel you need to do, by all means.... perhaps after said exercise you will grasp what is being discussed..... I am not peddling anything but I understand you are too insecure to explore the concepts so you feel as if something is being peddled.... that's your issue not mine....

Honestly Stormy, looking back on this thread's history you really haven't said much. I guess I'm left to read Moriah's posts to find out what you're thinking.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Can we appeal to the moderators to remove the disruption from this thread somehow?
Can a case be made for "trolling"? Do any rules on CF cover making a ruckus to the point where others cannot continue their conversation in peace?
This has passed irritation and just become ridiculous.

 

[RND]

Can we appeal to the moderators to remove the disruption from this thread somehow?
Can a case be made for "trolling"? Do any rules on CF cover making a ruckus to the point where others cannot continue their conversation in peace?
This has passed irritation and just become ridiculous.

I think a review of the thread will find that your critique of my comments started us down this road. Now you want to blame me for getting this post off track? Typical.

Without any prompting on my part you responded to three of my post that were not specifically directed at you. As is my nature, I found it necessary to clear up your misconceptions regarding my posts. Now you want to complain that somehow I'm disrupting the thread? Be serious.

You know, it would be nice for the OP to speak up and try to keep this thread on track and directed in the area where he wanted it to go. Unfortunately, he hasn't done that. Maybe he was waiting for you to speak up for him!

 

[RND]

...you have understood the issues I have raised.....

So have I. I just have disagreed with them.

loving parents will not stand by and watch as their child (or children) are harmed or traumatized. Loving parents will not give permission for another person to deliberately harm or kill their children.....

Are you suggesting that God isn't loving because He allows evil to take it's natural course? When He sent His only begotten Son to die on a cross and to be killed by His very creation was that not a loving act?

yet christians have no problem (apparently) believing that God (Our Father) will do just that....

Fortunately, I am deeply aware that there is a tremendous battle going on for the souls of men. In fact, it's the greatest battle ever being fought. God has done everything necessary to show you the tremendous love He has for His creation. Whether you see this or not is actually insignificant at this point in your life simply because this revelation hasn't been made clear just yet, that's not to say that one day you won't come to the proper understanding of God's love for His creation.

so there has to be some theological or mental gymnastics to reconcile these two concepts....

Not at all. One merely has to open their eyes to the facts about God and His love for His creation and the love He clearly demonstrates to understand that God loves each of us unconditionally. No gymnastics involved, just a desire to see God's love in action.

 

[StormyOne]

So have I. I just have disagreed with them.


Are you suggesting that God isn't loving because He allows evil to take it's natural course? When He sent His only begotten Son to die on a cross and to be killed by His very creation was that not a loving act?

Fortunately, I am deeply aware that there is a tremendous battle going on for the souls of men. In fact, it's the greatest battle ever being fought. God has done everything necessary to show you the tremendous love He has for His creation. Whether you see this or not is actually insignificant at this point in your life simply because this revelation hasn't been made clear just yet, that's not to say that one day you won't come to the proper understanding of God's love for His creation.

Not at all. One merely has to open their eyes to the facts about God and His love for His creation and the love He clearly demonstrates to understand that God loves each of us unconditionally. No gymnastics involved, just a desire to see God's love in action.

you have not understood the OP, nor do you know me, and lastly you don't know what I do (or don't) know about God and his love for us.... because you have not comprehended anything I've said, you and I are done with this topic, you remain clueless and I don't have the words to help you understand.... resist the urge to respond as you cannot help yourself but insult me as you comment.... and that is quite tiresome.....

 

[Adventtruth]

Can we appeal to the moderators to remove the disruption from this thread somehow?
Can a case be made for "trolling"? Do any rules on CF cover making a ruckus to the point where others cannot continue their conversation in peace?
This has passed irritation and just become ridiculous.

Oh come on now! No need to get the mods involved here. Its not that serious.


AT

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

All right, never mind the mods. A muzzle will do nicely.

 

[Adventtruth]

All right, never mind the mods. A muzzle will do nicely.

And I'm the first to put mine on.

AT

 

[RND]

you have not understood the OP, nor do you know me, and lastly you don't know what I do (or don't) know about God and his love for us....

Stormy, this is basically the same answer you've given throughout this thread. "you don't understand me," "you don't know me," "you don't know what I know," etc. I can only go by what you have stated and what you have said and the last post of yours I quoted is a perfect example.

You love to tell folks they don't know you or understand you but your comments leave no question as to what you think and know.

because you have not comprehended anything I've said, you and I are done with this topic, you remain clueless and I don't have the words to help you understand....

This is about the third or fourth time you've said something similar and yet it seems obvious you continually come back for more, obfuscating the whole way. Your own comments leave little in terms of guesswork about what you think and your lack of addressing the questions aroused by your statements only confirms the depths of your thoughts.

resist the urge to respond as you cannot help yourself but insult me as you comment....

No insults. You told me if I wanted to know what you thought to read someone else's posts.

and that is quite tiresome.....

I bet.

 

[StormyOne]

Stormy, this is basically the same answer you've given throughout this thread. "you don't understand me," "you don't know me," "you don't know what I know," etc. I can only go by what you have stated and what you have said and the last post of yours I quoted is a perfect example.

You love to tell folks they don't know you or understand you but your comments leave no question as to what you think and know.



This is about the third or fourth time you've said something similar and yet it seems obvious you continually come back for more, obfuscating the whole way. Your own comments leave little in terms of guesswork about what you think and your lack of addressing the questions aroused by your statements only confirms the depths of your thoughts.



No insults. You told me if I wanted to know what you thought to read someone else's posts.



I bet.

whatever...... the assumption that a person can be known by what they post on a internet discussion board indicates the concreteness of your thinking.... people are more than what they post..... while I don't know you, its clear you have no clue and apparently don't know where to go to find one....

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Here, start shopping!!

 

[RND]

whatever......

Yes. Whatever.

the assumption that a person can be known by what they post on a internet discussion board indicates the concreteness of your thinking....

Are you suggesting you didn't really mean those comments you made?

people are more than what they post.....

Certainly, without question they are. But their thoughts as expressed are generally a reflection of their beliefs.

while I don't know you, its clear you have no clue and apparently don't know where to go to find one....

Yes, I know, I know, I have no clue. For the umpteenth time you've said that. You're like a broken record. Unfortunately, that's the only argument you can make in light of the clear thoughts that you've expressed. Instead of expanding the thought on your beliefs to make yourself somewhat clearer and more understandable in an effort to expand the discussion, you project the thought to me that "you have no clue" as a mask in an attempt to obscure the obvious.

Stormy, if you feel so strongly about what your beliefs are you should be prepared to have a discussion about them. If you don't want to do that, that is, discuss your thoughts, then may I suggest you stop starting threads.