Mixed Messages.....

[RND]

Oh? God told you that your view is his view?

Actually God has revealed Himself to me regarding His nature and character through His inspired word.

Interesting....

Fascinating in all reality. Nearly beyond comprehension.

I guess next you'll be telling me that God wrote the bible

No, God "inspired" actual living men to write the Bible.

.... scary....

Perhaps. For some.

 

[JonMiller]

It does seem that many of you are showing how not all views are the same. That not all religions are the same, as you arguing in favor of mid-eastern or eastern (you seemed a bit confused on which) mysticism.

JM

 

[StormyOne]

It does seem that many of you are showing how not all views are the same. That not all religions are the same, as you arguing in favor of mid-eastern or eastern (you seemed a bit confused on which) mysticism.

JM

you said that to say?

 

[Joe67]

When the wine bubbles in the cup then it bites with its poison.

Joe

 

[AzA]

you said that to say?

Perhaps the brother is misrecalling the discussion titled "All religions are flawed, and similar."
I say "misrecall" because similarity ≠ sameness.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Not my view, God's view. I just happen to go with it.

NO. Absolutely NOT.

Your view does NOT constitute or equate to God's ... EVER.

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Oh? God told you that your view is his view? Interesting.... I guess next you'll be telling me that God wrote the bible.... scary....

Yes, He wrote the King James Version, word for word. You didn't KNOW??

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

When the wine bubbles in the cup then it bites with its poison.\

meaning...?

 

[RND]

NO. Absolutely NOT.

Your view does NOT constitute or equate to God's ... EVER.

You mean it's impossible to get a glimpse and an understanding of God's character and nature through reading scripture?

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

 

[Avonia]

You mean it's impossible to get a glimpse and an understanding of God's character and nature through reading scripture?

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

I'm curious how you are differentiating "character" and "nature."

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

You mean it's impossible to get a glimpse and an understanding of God's character and nature through reading scripture?

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

No, not at all. It means until you leave time and enter eternity in absolute perfection you simply cannot escape this:

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Believing in any way, shape, or form that having the "mind of Christ" means you have transcended the limitations of human existence and entered the realm of omniscience, where your perceptions constitute or equate to God's Himself, constitutes the worst form of spiritual arrogance, blindness, and self-deception available on the planet.

It bes most unfortunate, indeed, that churches exist out there that either actively encourage or passively neglect to discourage this kind of folly. Some even actively pressure their members into these lies, by insisting one must enter a state of sinless perfection here, now, in THIS sinful flesh, in order to be saved or (the more subtle but no less deadly version) in order to "prove" one bes saved. Believing that lie creates its own form of madness, compared to which even possession by demons would be preferable for the ultimate disposition of the soul. (At least the possessed can name their affliction and hope to be delivered.)

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

I'm curious how you are differentiating "character" and "nature."

LOL that always trips us up too ... the fact that we use the word "nature" so much to describe the inherent "being-ness" of a thing and yet it would be a complete oxymoron to use the phrase "the nature of God" since God invented nature.

 

[mva1985]

God knows more about suffering then we will ever know. I have faith that He is doing the right thing.

RND you have sidestepped the issue.... the issue is simple, Christians say God will take care of you, that you can trust God, yet we see daily horrific suffering.... so either God will or God will not provide care.... or maybe there is another possibility....

 

[Avonia]

Believing in any way, shape, or form that having the "mind of Christ" means you have transcended the limitations of human existence and entered the realm of omniscience, where your perceptions constitute or equate to God's Himself, constitutes the worst form of spiritual arrogance, blindness, and self-deception available on the planet.

Your point is demonstrated in a practical why through the great diversity of interpretations of scripture. Everyone reading the same work. There's not even a coalescing over time with many key issues.

I point to the "state of the dead" as one of many.

 

[Avonia]

LOL that always trips us up too ... the fact that we use the word "nature" so much to describe the inherent "being-ness" of a thing and yet it would be a complete oxymoron to use the phrase "the nature of God" since God invented nature.

Exactly. But I was curious what RND's take was since he added one more layer and compounded it with "character."

Stormy, this is an example of how a really good question in an OP often rapidly expands the conversation!

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

Your point is demonstrated in a practical why through the great diversity of interpretations of scripture. Everyone reading the same work. There's not even a coalescing over time with many key issues.

I point to the "state of the dead" as one of many.

Yep, we can toss soteriology and eschatology into the pile as well ...

 

[Moriah_Conquering_Wind]

God knows more about suffering then we will ever know. I have faith that He is doing the right thing.

So does Moriah, though it might differ in opinion from you as to what that "thing" actually bes.

 

[StormyOne]

God knows more about suffering then we will ever know. I have faith that He is doing the right thing.

I wonder if those who are experiencing trauma have the same view....

 

[Avonia]

God knows more about suffering then we will ever know. I have faith that He is doing the right thing.

That's good. And more is asked of us - knowledge. Faith is meant to be a bridge to greater knowing. Not the fuel of stasis.

Of course, once we cross the bridge, we will still exercise faith - just on a new spectrum.

Having faith that His eye is on the sparrow is not a substitute for trying to understand why people are suffering and what we can do to help our brothers and sisters.

 

[RND]

No, not at all. It means until you leave time and enter eternity in absolute perfection you simply cannot escape this:

1 Corinthians 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Believing in any way, shape, or form that having the "mind of Christ" means you have transcended the limitations of human existence and entered the realm of omniscience, where your perceptions constitute or equate to God's Himself, constitutes the worst form of spiritual arrogance, blindness, and self-deception available on the planet.

Wow, you are really something else. I'm not suggesting that by having the mind of Christ one transcends being a human and takes on divinity. Far from it.

What Paul was suggesting seems similar to once you get to know someone after spending a great deal of time with them, i.e. a close personal friend, or spouse, you being to reflect their character a bit by knowing how they react to things. You being to understand how they'll respond to any particular situation.

Putting on the mind of Christ means learning to respond and react as Christ did.

It bes most unfortunate, indeed, that churches exist out there that either actively encourage or passively neglect to discourage this kind of folly.

It's only folly for those that don't think that they can reflect the nature and character of God.

Some even actively pressure their members into these lies, by insisting one must enter a state of sinless perfection here, now, in THIS sinful flesh, in order to be saved or (the more subtle but no less deadly version) in order to "prove" one bes saved.

Really? I wonder if "sinless perfection" can be considered a euphemism for understanding the effects of sin perfectly.

Believing that lie creates its own form of madness, compared to which even possession by demons would be preferable for the ultimate disposition of the soul. (At least the possessed can name their affliction and hope to be delivered.)

Rather speculative I think.