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we belong to God so righteousness is a moot point.... that's like suggesting that because your child goes out an plays in the mud that they are now something other than your child.... separating a state of being from the person is impossible... if we are to believe that through Christ all are made right, then there is no problem.....
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what is morality but one group comparing their list of do's and dont's with another group's list of do's and dont's?What I know of Oscar Wilde would preclude me from putting any credence to his views of morality.
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the problem is arbitrary and artificial behavioral standards that some pass off as coming from God himself.....
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Byfaithalone1
The gospel is Jesus Christ!
If righteousness is a moot point, why is it a recurring theme in Scripture? Who is righteous?
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what is scripture but inspired men's attempt to convey what they understood about God... it is not (and cannot be) the definitive authority about God because it was not written by God.... you are what you are.... a child of God, and He is responsible for your "state of being" just as a parent is responsible for changing their baby's soiled pamper...
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Design and nature are the Creator's responsibility.
Being and expressing is my concern.
God determined what I am, both right now and in potential; that's not my domain. I have authority over the ways in which I express what I am... and I have a lot of range.
I can't de-nature myself, change my nature.
But I can recognize my nature by learning about more of the things that make it up.
And I can also pretend to have a different nature... but who's it going to trick? God who actually made me? Nah: I am what I am.
Fortunately, God doesn't ask us to be anything we are not. If we'd extend that same understanding to other people, I think we'd all be much better off. Much healthier, much stronger.
Being and expressing is my concern.
God determined what I am, both right now and in potential; that's not my domain. I have authority over the ways in which I express what I am... and I have a lot of range.
I can't de-nature myself, change my nature.
But I can recognize my nature by learning about more of the things that make it up.
And I can also pretend to have a different nature... but who's it going to trick? God who actually made me? Nah: I am what I am.
Fortunately, God doesn't ask us to be anything we are not. If we'd extend that same understanding to other people, I think we'd all be much better off. Much healthier, much stronger.
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Avonia
Just look through the telescope . . .
If we understood this, the Bible would be immensely additive. Unfortunately, "sola scriptura" is our proclamation of the Bible being the "only" instead of "a ground." So most of our conversations about meaning miss most of what's meaningful.
As long as we carry this distortion, we may be better off putting the book down. (Understatement.)
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Avonia
Just look through the telescope . . .
You must have listened to different sermons than I did. Because my SDA teachers were pretty clear that God desperately wanted us to be "born again" to become something we clearly were not. I was taught that my "nature" was wretched. The subtext on being saved was being saved from yourself.
But, alas, I suspect you heard the same sermons I did. So, well said AzA.
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Different sermons? No and yes. I sang "Whiter than snow" with great harmonious gusto until my teens when I realized something was amiss with the lyrics.
I also heard God over the din of the sermons. Mother and others taught us that "God didn't make no junk," and God's children had royal heritage. Given that I was with Mother et al. 6/7 and with the wretch sermons 1/7, Mother et al. won out.
My natural and chosen communities seeded and nurtured my heathenry. Cheers
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It is just too sad that our theology produces Christians who spend their lives as wannabees. They keep trying to be what they are not, unaware of the difference Aza hinted at between one's nature and the various expressions of that nature.
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so you have used an extreme example to make the point? Are you suggesting that the lack of societal boundaries will allow people to do anything they want? Isn't that happening now?
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ricker
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Someone else introduced an Oscar Wilde quote, not me.
I think societal and legal boundries have prevented a lot of undesirable and hurtful actions. No, I don't think most people do anything they want to now. I know I sure don't.
Don't you think there are social stigmas that influence people's behaviour in certain ways?
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Partially, for those who are motivated by societal approval.... however, the people who really want to do something, they do whatever it is they want to do... now they may do it secretly (because of legal consequences) but not because of societal stigma....
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Byfaithalone1
The gospel is Jesus Christ!
Why do you suppose such men were inspired to write much on the subject of righteousness?
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