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Lungfish are similar to / related to the fish that transitioned out of the water.
They are fish,thats my point.Trying to connect them to anything that is totally land dwelling is imagination.
Modern lungfish are not presented as ancestral to amphibians. Why act as if they were?
Totally agree,they are most definately not ancestral to amphibians but it wasnt me who presented them as an example.
As for the variety of animals. is there is not Isle of the Wild Poodle.
no idea what you are getting at here,but i thought it was common knowledge that most species that have existed are in fact extinct.
Axolotols, "overgrown" or otherwise are not extinct. What is that about?
Tiktalik.
Your idea about horses would make sense IF all the known varietes lived at the same time. But like other life forms, there is a distinct sequence over time.
lol evolutionists are funny,you are raising a strawman against me here,my problem is the claim equus came from any other kind.
Speciation of course, does not depend on any book or its contents. Its going to go on anyway. If tho, you grant that the book "allows' speciation, well, where is the wall that stops it from going any further?
Good grief have you been following what ive been typing regarding genetic information and theres no evidence anywhere that theres examples where beneficial changes in information have occured?
Speciation is a loss of information.
Transitioning from little five toed horse to the Percheron is just a series of small changes.
Varieties of horse,big deal.Doesnt back up what you type below,now those are huge changes.Nice try at the equivocation attempt.
From fish to amphibian,
Nothing to do with horses.
amphibian to reptile,
Nope still cant see how variation in horses supports this..
its just the product of many small changes.
Wow more like beneficial genetic information being added,which for the 5th time i will say theres no evidence of this.
What mechanism prevents speciation from continuing until huge changes have teken place?
Hey i hate being blunt but try reading the thread more carefully instead of repeating things over and over.Ive already explained the mechanism how many times.?
 
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...there was more variety in the past because horses and lungfish exist?

what kind of crockamani college told this guy that?

Well all i can say to you ,is that when you cant refute ,you can always rely on your superior education and dreams of wealth.Haha.Oh boy i had a good laugh when you threw your toys outta the cot when i showed you the fossil record was bogus.Your knowledge is woefully out of date.
 
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You brought it up, but you're welcome.

i think you are in the wrong thread,nice talking to you.The topic is genetic information,and how do naturalists justify the apparent trillions of beneficial changes from eukaroytes to man,when it seems they struggle to name 1.
 
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the case of sickle cell anemia and malaria is actually proof of evolution; once subjected to conditions of any kind, genes will mutate toward creating beneficiary adaptations of the host. Sickle cell is a hydrophobic disorder of the red blood cell. Hydrophobia of the cell prevent malaria from being transmitted into/from the body's circulatory system.

Certain African tribes had adapted to malaria, and thus developed sickle cell anemia.

Its true that adaptations seen as detrimental actually have beneficial reasoning behind it.

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closes the door on "well, why are mutations a 'bad' thing?" argument.
 
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the case of sickle cell anemia and malaria is actually proof of evolution; once subjected to conditions of any kind, genes will mutate toward creating beneficiary adaptations of the host. Sickle cell is a hydrophobic disorder of the red blood cell. Hydrophobia of the cell prevent malaria from being transmitted into/from the body's circulatory system.

Certain African tribes had adapted to malaria, and thus developed sickle cell anemia.

Its true that adaptations seen as detrimental actually have beneficial reasoning behind it.

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closes the door on "well, why are mutations a 'bad' thing?" argument.

thats not a beneficial mutation dude.
 
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lol but all those fossils that are hundreds of thousands of years old existed BEFORE creation....

Creation happened AFTER the dinosaurs. lol riiight....
If my guess is right some dinos existed even just before the flood. Most had died out, but, apparently there were "giants in the land" ! Not long ago that. And of course your dates are faith based anyhow, so irelevent to actual time.
 
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They are fish,thats my point.Trying to connect them to anything that is totally land dwelling is imagination.

Totally agree,they are most definately not ancestral to amphibians but it wasnt me who presented them as an example.

no idea what you are getting at here,but i thought it was common knowledge that most species that have existed are in fact extinct.

Tiktalik.

lol evolutionists are funny,you are raising a strawman against me here,my problem is the claim equus came from any other kind.

Good grief have you been following what ive been typing regarding genetic information and theres no evidence anywhere that theres examples where beneficial changes in information have occured?
Speciation is a loss of information.

Varieties of horse,big deal.Doesnt back up what you type below,now those are huge changes.Nice try at the equivocation attempt.

Nothing to do with horses.

Nope still cant see how variation in horses supports this..

Wow more like beneficial genetic information being added,which for the 5th time i will say theres no evidence of this.

Hey i hate being blunt but try reading the thread more carefully instead of repeating things over and over.Ive already explained the mechanism how many times.?


Well praise, looking at a post a couple down there, to Tanzan, you say something about how you should be treated with respect.

I responded to a question you asked in a polite and thoughtful way, and i get back:

"lol evolutionists are funny,you are raising a strawman against me

big deal

nice try"



Im sure you are a nice person, and sincere in your beliefs. If you'd like to discuss them with me, then dont insult me, or yourself with sarcasm andrudeness.

I suppose that you actually dont want to learn anything real about evolution, and would not concede that the least thing you believe is in any way in error. A lot of your beliefs appear to be based on a deep misunderstanding of the subject matter, so I assume that you get your ideas from creo web sites.

Perhaps that isnt the case, it would be nice to find you dont have such a closed mind as that. If you have something real to say as an objection to the ToE I will listen and see what it is. None of the things you brought up make any sense tho.

You do know that the axolotol is not extinct (we had one in the lab here for a while), and that it is basically just a tiger salamander that never transforms into the adult stage? It has nothing whatever to do with the fossil creatuare you mentioned. So I dont get what point you were trying to make by mixing the two.

My piont about horses was just that there is a sequence in the fossil record and the different stages are never found together, as they would be if they had existed at the same time.

Well, decide if you want to discuss or play snark wars, I dont want to waste my time.
 
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Ill just deal with this point because if we can establish what is true here regarding new information being created and passed on,it has a great bearing on naturalists claims on the extent of evolution.

Now you claim that bacteria exhibiting resistance is the result of new genetic information.however this isnt the case at all and let me reiterate its actually quite a simple process.

Some bacteria already has resistance,and its those particular bacteria that survive.
Once again, the question remains: how did those particular bacteria get the resistance in the first place? Bacteria do not come with resistances to all antibiotics; only a small fraction have the fluke genetics that give them a resistance. So where did that small fraction get their resistance from?

There can be also bacteria mutating to not allow the antibiotics entry into the cell .This is an example of bacteria losing information
No, it is not. Antibiotics work on six major areas of the bacterium:

  • Construction of the bacterium's cell wall,
  • Structure of the cell membrane,
  • Synthesis and function of folic acid,
  • Structure, synthesis, and function, of DNA,
  • Synthesis of RNA from DNA, and
  • Structure, assembly, folding, and function, of proteins.
A mutation to any of these processes or structures increase the bacterium's ability to function in the presence of the antibiotic. Information is created by mutations, and this extra information changes how, say, proteins are synthesised.

One example of increased information is a point insertion mutation in the genes that encode the ion pattern in an enzyme's lock-and-key mechanism. Point insertion mutations have a chance of adding extra ions to the mechanism: information is increased, and the bacterium has an increased resistance.

However theres no new information created it was present already or its a loss of information.
Again, this simply isn't true. DNA can mutate by any number of means, and the 'information' can increase, decrease, or be replaced by new information (e.g., by chiasmata formation).

Theres no cases of new information being made by mutation anywhere by anything...
Two words: point mutation.

And the funny thing is that the bacteria that would survive antibiotics in a lab are significantly weaker if released back into the wild,proving that loss of information is hazardous.
You haven't showed that bacteria acquire resistance by the loss of information, or that they are "significantly weaker" when released into the wild.

You also seem to forget that antibiotics exist in nature as well; how do you think bacteria survived for all those millennia if they were constantly losing 'information', if they were "significantly weaker"?

Whats the wider implication for evolutionists with common descent?...pretty obvious really.
Yep: absolutely no implication whatsoever. We'll continue to advance in medicine, armed with the knowledge of how bacteria, viruses, and fungi, acquire resistances to our drugs.

I'm amazed that you still think bacteria come pre-equipped with resistances to our completely man-made drugs. What, did God created them with the foreknowledge?
 
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reading over your reply you tended to inadvertantly agree with my premise that animals have enormous variety and have the ability to adapt however you tried to use lungfish?as a transitional?animal between water and land whreas its still a fish last time i checked.
Well of course it's a fish. It's called the Devonian lungfish. The point is that our aquatic ancestors would be fish that lived near the shores and had rudimentary tools that could be adapted for terrestrial life (the lungfish's buoyancy device is a clear preliminary for true lungs).

Overgrown extinct axolotls and the horse family(great variety i agree) is proof that there was far more variety in the past,not that all animals are connected by mythical "transitional" forms.
On the contrary, you can simply line the up in chronological order and see that each one is a minor variation on the one that came before it. Over the aeons, these minor variations add up, so you get Shire horses from small, deer-like animals. Their location in the world and in the geological column support this.

As i said,the book of genesis allows for variety adaptation and speciation,i have no argument with that.
And yet you say evolution is false. Funny how adaptation and speciation are evolution :doh:.
 
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If my guess is right some dinos existed even just before the flood. Most had died out, but, apparently there were "giants in the land" ! Not long ago that. And of course your dates are faith based anyhow, so irelevent to actual time.


gants = elephants

dinos did exist before the flood....MILLIONS of years, before the flood.

The dinos died before homo sapiens began to appear on earth.

So, no. VERY long ago, at that.

everytime someone tries to tell me that the earth is 6000 years old, I reach for a fossil and say "Fossil".
 
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If my guess is right some dinos existed even just before the flood. Most had died out, but, apparently there were "giants in the land" ! Not long ago that. And of course your dates are faith based anyhow, so irelevent to actual time.
GUESS?????? Is that the best you can do to dismiss the empirical evidences of science?

This is not kindergarten class DAD! There are no fairies here!
 
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All the word evolution means is CHANGE. Everything is constantly changing, from moment to moment, within the observable universe. And whether the change is "good" or "bad" is just a matter of opinion.

Even religion evolves. E.g., how many Christians still believe in infant damnation these days?

Even race relations evolve. E.g., could any person identified as "black" been elected POTUS 50 years ago, no matter what his or her qualifications and accomplishments?

Etc.
 
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Well praise, looking at a post a couple down there, to Tanzan, you say something about how you should be treated with respect.
I responded to a question you asked in a polite and thoughtful way, and i get back:
"lol evolutionists are funny,you are raising a strawman against me
big deal
nice try"
Im sure you are a nice person, and sincere in your beliefs. If you'd like to discuss them with me, then dont insult me, or yourself with sarcasm andrudeness.
I apologise for any offence caused.
I suppose that you actually dont want to learn anything real about evolution,
Ive already said my problem is the extent of evolution,that is needed for common descent.
and would not concede that the least thing you believe is in any way in error. A lot of your beliefs appear to be based on a deep misunderstanding of the subject matter,
Im sorry if i missed where you named some beneficial mutations,of course these are needed to make the protozoa to man feasible,Ill scroll back just in case you did type any...
so I assume that you get your ideas from creo web sites
I assume you get your ideas from evolutionary websites.I must admit the adding information to the genome was from a book.Its backed up from what i read on youtube.Im sure a whole bunch of common descent disciples have read the question regarding adding information to the genome....
Perhaps that isnt the case, it would be nice to find you dont have such a closed mind as that. If you have something real to say as an objection to the ToE I will listen and see what it is.
Translation=I dont understand what it takes for a protozoa to evolve into a human..see below as proof also
None of the things you brought up make any sense tho.
:thumbsup:
You do know that the axolotol is not extinct (we had one in the lab here for a while),
Yes i know.
and that it is basically just a tiger salamander that never transforms into the adult stage? It has nothing whatever to do with the fossil creatuare you mentioned. So I dont get what point you were trying to make by mixing the two.
Why not?You are claiming men are related to amoebas why cant two amphibians be related?This doesnt make sense.
My piont about horses was just that there is a sequence in the fossil record and the different stages are never found together, as they would be if they had existed at the same time.
Once again my problem is not horses commonly descending from a type of original horse its when evolutionists try to connect horses to rodents.
Well, decide if you want to discuss or play snark wars, I dont want to waste my time.
Ok.
 
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