Misconceptions

[juvenissun]

And what of laws that compliment the Bible? Are they absolutely right?

A law can not negate the Biblical understanding. Otherwise, it is wrong.

Some laws said abortion is allowed. It is wrong. Why don't you call it genocide? Or, some genocide is ultimately correct? Where is your absolute standard on this?

 

[Quid est Veritas?]

The problem with basing Morality on society and human interaction is that inevitably it breaks down. It requires an absolute to function. For otherwise it allows exceptions and utilatarian arguments to accrue over time and before we know it, we are shovelling Jews into furnaces or hacking Tutsis to death or causing massive man-made famines, all considered Right acts or morally acceptable to the participants.

 

[Zoness]

"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" Aleister Crowely.....this is what the natural man wants.

I don't know a ton of people who subscribe to Crowley's particular esoteric faith.

 

[Zoness]

I did not say that.
I said the laws stopped you to do something you might think it is right to do.

The implication is obvious and very popular among Christians: us evil little pagans will destroy everything the Christians hold dear, only the law is holding them back.

 

[Tull]

I don't know a ton of people who subscribe to Crowley's particular esoteric faith.

Doesn't matter if they follow him or not his creed still holds true for many,people do what they want to,just like you have stated Atheist and practical Atheist,those who don't believe God exist and those who live as if he didn't exist

 

[Zoness]

Doesn't matter if they follow him or not his creed still holds true for many,people do what they want to,just like you have stated Atheist and practical Atheist,those who don't believe God exist and those who live as if he didn't exist

To be completely honest, I'm not sure what you're saying; there seem to be several different statements made. You're right that most people do what they want, since humans are ultimately self-interested. I'm not sure how it pertains to Crowley specifically, unless you were just picking a random quote from someone.

I'm not sure I've ever seen those distinctions from Atheists though; an Atheist is going to of course not believe in God, the opposite makes no sense or that person is applying the wrong label.

 

[Tull]

To be completely honest, I'm not sure what you're saying; there seem to be several different statements made. You're right that most people do what they want, since humans are ultimately self-interested. I'm not sure how it pertains to Crowley specifically, unless you were just picking a random quote from someone.

I'm not sure I've ever seen those distinctions from Atheists though; an Atheist is going to of course not believe in God, the opposite makes no sense or that person is applying the wrong label.

It was random,i could have just as easily said "if it feels good do it"

 

[gord44]

"Do what thou will shall be the whole of the law" Aleister Crowely.....this is what the natural man wants.

You kinda got it wrong though. If one follows their true will, then they won't harm anyone. No one's true, natural will involves causing pain or grief in another. It's called the Great Work or Great Working. Most bad things happen in this world when people don't follow their natural will, as most people don't have a clue where to look.

 

[awitch]

A law can not negate the Biblical understanding. Otherwise, it is wrong.

Here in the US, we have the freedom of religion. That means I'm free to practice any non-Christian religion with any non-Christian gods I want. That's in a direct contradiction to the Bible's rule about having other gods. In this particular case, yes, I am not doing anything wrong. But would you revoke my legal right to practice my religion?

We have laws that outlaw slavery. The Bible provides rules on how to treat slaves, implying slavery is not wrong if you follow said rules. Shall we reinstitute slavery or is that wrong?

Some laws said abortion is allowed. It is wrong. Why don't you call it genocide? Or, some genocide is ultimately correct? Where is your absolute standard on this?

You should look up the definitions of abortion and genocide because they are not the same thing. It is my opinion that a woman should have the choice to end a pregnancy in cases of rape, incest, threat to the woman's life, and terminal illness of the fetus. Our side seeks to avoid abortion by reducing the number of unwanted pregnancies through the use of available contraception and comprehensive sex education, which are proven to be effective. But Christians frown on that, insisting on abstinence only, which is proven to be ineffective and unrealistic. Outlawing abortions will not reduce the demand for them. But this is beyond the scope of this thread.

 

[MehGuy]

Okay I don't know what any of those words mean, but they sound like something you should bring up in private with a medical professional rather than on an internet forum.

Yeah or maybe we can encourage people to be open about discussing alternative ideas and as a consequence grow a deeper understanding about the diverse human experience. And who knows? You yourself may someday choose to adopt some of these labels personally and later on feel grateful for coming into contact with such terms.

I also fail to see anything that Jane listed that should require medical attention, and even if it did I see no reason to discourage people from openly expressing their thoughts on a forum.

As for me I consider myself a heterosexual, vanilla a-romantic, gray-asexual, primary s/m nurturing empathetic romantic with secondary aggressive s/m empathetic romantic characteristics with agender/bigender/bi-romantic leanings. Lol.

Do I need medical attention? Possibly, lol.

 

[juvenissun]

Here in the US, we have the freedom of religion. That means I'm free to practice any non-Christian religion with any non-Christian gods I want. That's in a direct contradiction to the Bible's rule about having other gods. In this particular case, yes, I am not doing anything wrong. But would you revoke my legal right to practice my religion?

You are not a Christian. So you do not obey what the Bible teaches. Many human laws do not follow the Biblical teaching. They are wrong.

Freedom of religion? That is not Biblical. It is humanistic, and is wrong. The Bible says everyone in the world should be Christian. If you are not one, then you are wrong and would face the consequence. There is no negotiation on that in Christianity.

 

[juvenissun]

The implication is obvious and very popular among Christians: us evil little pagans will destroy everything the Christians hold dear, only the law is holding them back.

I don't know if pagans are able to destroy Christian value or not. But I am sure some personal behaviors of pagans are holding back by laws.

 

[awitch]

I don't know if pagans are able to destroy Christian value or not. But I am sure some personal behaviors of pagans are holding back by laws.

I'll call you out point blank. What laws are holding us back? What would we all like to intrinsically do?

 

[Cimorene]

As for me I consider myself a heterosexual, vanilla a-romantic, gray-asexual, primary s/m nurturing empathetic romantic with secondary aggressive s/m empathetic romantic characteristics with agender/bigender/bi-romantic leanings. Lol.

Do I need medical attention? Possibly, lol.

You lost me after heterosexual. Is vanilla just another word for being white? I know what asexual is, but I have no idea what gray-asexual is. Or the rest of all that, lol.

 

[keith99]

You lost me after heterosexual. Is vanilla just another word for being white? I know what asexual is, but I have no idea what gray-asexual is. Or the rest of all that, lol.

Vanilla is a term for totally unkinky sex. It is mainly a term used in the BDSM world. It is not very clear where the line is drawn. Is tickling your partner beyond vanilla? Perhaps.

Vanilla was actually for once a well chosen term. Vanilla is still the most popular form of Ice Cream. There is nothing 'wrong' with Vanilla. I would say there is something wrong with being a vanilla purist meaning one who in Ice Cream objects to French Vanilla because it is not pure Vanilla and in sex objects to having your boyfriend or girlfriend blindfold you and then provide strawberries and kisses.

 

[gord44]

But I am sure some personal behaviors of pagans are holding back by laws.

I am sure some personal behaviors of Christians are held back by laws as well.

 

[MehGuy]

But I am sure some personal behaviors of pagans are holding back by laws.

Same for Christians.

I'm sure there are some Christians out there who think its biblical to own slaves but the pesky laws stop them from doing it, lol.

 

[Tull]

You kinda got it wrong though. If one follows their true will, then they won't harm anyone. No one's true, natural will involves causing pain or grief in another. It's called the Great Work or Great Working. Most bad things happen in this world when people don't follow their natural will, as most people don't have a clue where to look.

Man is inherently evil,i know your religion doesn't believe that and I respect that but mine tells me otherwise and I have my own life exeriences that verify it.

 

[juvenissun]

I'll call you out point blank. What laws are holding us back? What would we all like to intrinsically do?

You are very welcome.
Any law has that function. For example, you shalt not steal. Not every pagan will steal. But without that law, MANY will. If I were a pagan, I will do it. Why not?

 

[juvenissun]

I am sure some personal behaviors of Christians are held back by laws as well.

Yes. But without laws, there is still the Bible among Christians. That is a critical difference.