Misconceptions

[Komnenos]

 

[Komnenos]

Note:
Patriarch Bartholomew is not the leader of the Orthodox church. Only the Leader of his jurisdiction and First among Equals.

 

[fated]

Note:
Patriarch Bartholomew is not the leader of the Orthodox church. Only the Leader of his jurisdiction and First among Equals.

He is, though, the Ecumenical Patriarch, which is a fairly important title.

 

[Komnenos]

He is, though, the Ecumenical Patriarch, which is a fairly important title.

True. And he is my Patriarch as I live in his city. Maybe i should make a separate thread for the Papal tiara thing?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

He is, though, the Ecumenical Patriarch, which is a fairly important title.

Just as important as the Bishop of Rome, the pope?

 

[fated]

Just as important as the Bishop of Rome, the pope?

Please, ecumenism is much different than Peter's See.

 

[NoDoubt]

Doesn't look like a humble servant to me.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Please, ecumenism is much different than Peter's See.

Oh. I "see".

 

[Komnenos]

Just as important as the Bishop of Rome, the pope?

In the early church there were 5 Equal Patriarchs holding Equal power heading their Jurisdiction. the Patriarch of Rome (Pope) held first among Equals. After the Schism, the Patriarch of Constantinople assumed the title.

 

[Komnenos]

Clergy wear plain black while not celebrating Divine liturgy.

 

[simonthezealot]

Doesn't look like a humble servant to me.

Looks like a filthy fallen human like the rest of us, only disquised in majestic pageantry...

I wanted to attach a verse to help explain it but too many came to mind...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In the early church there were 5 Equal Patriarchs holding Equal power heading their Jurisdiction. the Patriarch of Rome (Pope) held first among Equals. After the Schism, the Patriarch of Constantinople assumed the title.

Was it this event? How nice, 2 Christians excommunicating each other.

Though normally dated to 1054, when Pope Leo IX and Patriarch Michael I excommunicated each other, the East-West Schism was actually the result of an extended period of estrangement between the two bodies of churches.

 

[Komnenos]

Was it this event? How nice, 2 Christians excommunicating each other.

Though normally dated to 1054, when Pope Leo IX and Patriarch Michael I excommunicated each other, the East-West Schism was actually the result of an extended period of estrangement between the two bodies of churches.

Yup. Saddest event in all of Christendoms history. (Excluding the sack of Constantinople in 1204 to the "Crusaders" and the fall of Constantinople in 1453 to the turks)

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yup. Saddest event in all of Christendoms history. (Excluding the sack of Constantinople in 1204 to the "Crusaders" and the fall of Constantinople in 1453 to the turks)

I would agree.
Btw, I was wondering which period of church history the Roman church is referring to here:

http://christianforums.com/t6813701-question-time-jesus-returns-before-or-after-1000yrs.html

Chapter 20 Verse 4-5 Deals with Christ's Established Church that refussed to follow the beast. This was all done when Rome converted to Christianity and the 1000 years began.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Looks like a filthy fallen human like the rest of us, only disquised in majestic pageantry... I wanted to attach a verse to help explain it but too many came to mind...

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" - Jesus Christ

 

[seashale76]

Looks like a filthy fallen human like the rest of us, only disquised in majestic pageantry...

I wanted to attach a verse to help explain it but too many came to mind...

Churches are the outposts of the Kingdom of God in this world. Our clergy are icons of Christ to us, just as we are icons of Christ to everyone we meet. The Divine Liturgy is heaven on earth. When possible, we use the best of the material world (for lack of a better term) for the Glory of God.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Looks like a filthy fallen human like the rest of us, only disquised in majestic pageantry...I wanted to attach a verse to help explain it but too many came to mind...

"first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye"
- Jesus Christ

 

[Catholic Christian]

"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?"
- Jesus Christ

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by simonthezealot
Looks like a filthy fallen human like the rest of us, only disquised in majestic pageantry... I wanted to attach a verse to help explain it but too many came to mind...

I was going to say Ezekiel 21:25 but that concerns "israel"

http://www.christianforums.com/t5249549-why-should-we-undo-the-reformation.html


Ezekiel 21:25 'Now to you, O profane, wicked prince of Yisra'el, whose day has come, whose iniquity [shall] end, 26 'thus says the 'Adonay Y@hovih :Remove the mitre/mitsnepheth , and take off the crown; Nothing [shall remain] the same. Exalt the humble, and humble the exalted.

04701 mitsnepheth {mits-neh'-feth}
from 06801; TWOT - 1940c; n f
AV - mitre 11, diadem 1; 12
1) turban (of the high priest)

 

[Catholic Christian]

I would agree. .

"I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
- Jesus Christ