Misconceptions (Homosexuality)

[Spherical Time]

I was living in homosexuality and God showed me a better way. I hated Christianity before, because I was condemned by it. I hated God for making me the way I was. When I got saved, I realized I had been so deceived by the world.

Keep on keeping on, Carri20.

Really. You'll pardon my incredulity, please.

(I realize the link adds an additional modifier, but that doesn't make it less true.)

 

[beechy]

I don't hate Christianity and I don't hate God. I love my partner, and I feel blessed to have her. I don't see a conflict (except with people like Carri20), and I don't think my relationship with her is a sin. Of course, if I'm wrong I ask God's forgivenes . . . but He knows where I'm coming from and I think it's all good.

 

[Hadron]

Really. You'll pardon my incredulity, please.

(I realize the link adds an additional modifier, but that doesn't make it less true.)

But I'm not an atheist, nor have I ever been. I have always believed in God, one way or another.

 

[Spherical Time]

But I'm not an atheist, nor have I ever been. I have always believed in God, one way or another.

I take it you either didn't read or understand my parenthetical. That you only fit one of the two adjectives doesn't make the point less true.

 

[Hadron]

I take it you either didn't read or understand my parenthetical. That you only fit one of the two adjectives doesn't make the point less true.

No, I got your point, but it doesn't make their argument true that my argument is bogus. They merely state their opinion.

 

[jasperbound]

I don't hate Christianity and I don't hate God. I love my partner, and I feel blessed to have her. I don't see a conflict (except with people like Carri20), and I don't think my relationship with her is a sin. Of course, if I'm wrong I ask God's forgivenes . . . but He knows where I'm coming from and I think it's all good.

Indeed. Being a homosexual does not mean that one hates Christianity or God anymore. Sex is not anti-Christian, because God made sex pleasurable for us. Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, whether single, married, in a relationship, or even in the pornography industry, can be Christian.

 

[Matt Never Existed]

I made it very clear that I hate homosexuality as a concept, not homosexuals as people. Yet I notice at least one person directly accused me of hating homosexuals (and several others implied it). There is a huge difference and I would appreciate not being the target of slander. If I had a motto for this situation it would probably be this: Love what God loves, hate what God hates.

Sexuality and race are two completely different things. I most certainly am not a racist. Satan doesn't influence people to be black or white as he influences people to be gay, or murderous, or proud.

Firstly, what if I told you that I hated your religion, but not you as a person? Would you take that personally? Yes, because you define yourself as a christian. Its a part of who you are just as much as your eye color. The same goes for my sexuality. When you say you 'hate homosexuality', that means you hate a part of me that I have no control over, just like my own eye color.

Satan does not 'influence' anyone to 'be gay'. What you're going off for THAT statement is beyone me, but I do know that, gay or straight, we shall be judged according to how we treated our fellow mankind.

Why do you worry so much about something that Jesus didn't even mention? His entire ministry on earth was to try to teach us that we need to love eachother and treat eachother with respect, as brothers and sisters. And yet, you overlook this and hate me because of something you don't agree with.

You realize the definion of "Christian" is "One who follows, or belongs to, Christ", right? So how about you start living by his example, and not that of Paul or anyone else? Those men aren't going to save you when your time comes. Their blood won't save you from yourself and cover your sins.

And just for the record, we already do have perfectly equal rights. Gay people have just as much right as I do to marry someone of the opposite gender. No one is being oppressed here.

No hun, we don't.

Straight people - Allowed to marry according to the gender they are attracted to.
Gay people - Not allowed to marry according to the gender they are attracted to.

When both straight and gay people are allowed to marry based on Love and not gender, then we'll be equal.

 

[Hadron]

Indeed. Being a homosexual does not mean that one hates Christianity or God anymore. Sex is not anti-Christian, because God made sex pleasurable for us. Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, whether single, married, in a relationship, or even in the pornography industry, can be Christian.

Come on. When I was involved in the homosexual community, it was a bunch of scoffers. They hated God because the truth of the Word pierced their hearts, just as it did mine. You cannot tell me what I saw and heard among them.

 

[Spherical Time]

No, I got your point, but it doesn't make their argument true that my argument is bogus. They merely state their opinion.

That is a much more substantial criticism of the link that I posted than your former response.

 

[Hadron]

That is a much more substantial criticism of the link that I posted than your former response.

Why, because I brushed it off more than you liked the first time?

 

[beechy]

Come on. When I was involved in the homosexual community, it was a bunch of scoffers. They hated God because the truth of the Word pierced their hearts, just as it did mine. You cannot tell me what I saw and heard among them.

No one is purporting to tell you what you saw and heard.

 

[jasperbound]

No hun, we don't.

Straight people - Allowed to marry according to the gender they are attracted to.
Gay people - Not allowed to marry according to the gender they are attracted to.

When both straight and gay people are allowed to marry based on Love and not gender, then we'll be equal.

Actually, that's not true. Not everybody is in love with only one person, and not everybody is in love with somebody who is not a close relative. There are still many ways that people are not and will not be equal even if gay marriage is legalized. Sure, monogamous homosexuals will have the equality they desire, but if they disregard other minorities as soon as they receive they want, then they are hypocrites.

Rather than try to pigeonhole marriage into "marriage between two consenting adults who are not related, etc." we should simply define marriage as "marriage between consenting adults." After all, if they all consent to the marriage and are all mature enough to handle marriage, then why deny them the right to marry?

 

[SnowBear]

I don't have a right to marry someone of the same sex either so what same right is being denied?

Just as Mildred and Richard Loving were not denied any rights as they always had the right to marry someone of the “correct” skin color.

Jesus wants us to teach His Word and in accordance with His Word as our standard, the committing of homosexual acts is not to be encouraged by endowing people with this notion that because they CHOOSE to commit homosexual acts that they be rewarded for disobedience. SIngle people who want to shack up don't get the economic benefits of marriage either.

just like people who dare to be something other than a Christian should also be denied civil rights because allowing them to think they are free and equal only promotes that sort of behavior.

If you want the benefits of marriage, then get on the right page as to what marriage is supposed to be.

If only Richard and Mildred Loving had done so….then the evils of interracial marriage would not be legal in this country.

By that measure, the issue of same-sex marriage should never have come up because they shouldn't be forcing their opinions with or without a secular reason.

But isn’t advocating discrimination against gays and lesbians forcing opinions on people without a secular reason?

 

[SnowBear]

That most certainly WAS NOT me. I am an advocate of marriage as defined by the Word of God. And to that effect, people of the same sex are NOT to be married.

However the bible defines marriage in a multitude of ways and two adults volunteering to get married is only one of them.



Polygamous marriages are common in the bible. Genesis 4:19

Levirate Marriage Genesis 38:6-10 This involved a woman who was widowed without having borne a son. She would be required to leave her home, marry her brother-in-law, live with him, and engage in sexual relations.

A man, a woman and her property -- a female slave: Genesis 16.

A man, one or more wives, and some concubines: Genesis 21:10

A male soldier and a female prisoner of war: Numbers 31:1-18

A male rapist and his victim: Deuteronomy 22:28-29

A male and female slave: Exodus 21:4 indicates that a slave owner could assign one of his female slaves to one of his male slaves as a wife.

 

[Spinrad]

I miss Zaac.

 

[SnowBear]

What Constitutional right have you been denied?

Amendment XIV -

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisciction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiciotn the equal protection of the laws.

 

[SnowBear]

I have to disagree because monogamous and unrelated heterosexuals aren't allowed to marry people of the same sex either.

And a generation ago people of different colors who wanted to marry were nto discriminated against either.

No they don't. They have the same right to not be able to marry someone of the same sex as do heterosexuals who also cannot marry someone of the same sex.

Just as Richard and Mildred Lovinghad the right to marry individuasl of the “correct” skin color. However Richard andMildred were both honest individuasl and refused tolie and pretend to love someone eslse.



One theng thaht ahs always confused me is why those who advocate discirmination carry on about how singuful being homsoeuxla is yet they happily advocate lying about who one loves. Is not lying a sin?

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

There has to be otherwise I could not have put the words on the screen.

No, there doesn't have to be otherwise.

Just because I can put the words "pink" and "unicorn" next to each other does not mean that pink unicorns actually exist.

Likewise, just because you can put the words "secular" and "theocracy" next to each other does not mean that there is such a thing as a secular theocracy.

Invalid and nonsensical? Now you stop being mean to me.

As I have already explained, and this is pertinent to the above point, the concept of a secular theocracy is inherently contradictory and thus invalid and nonsensical.

Apparently not cause the marriages are still being blocked and unrecognized.

And that is not due to U.S. laws being subject to what the Bible says. It is subject to members of the population, legislators, and the president forcing their religious beliefs onto others, which is not only immoral, but also unconstitutional. Thankfully the courts are stepping in and have continued to decide that there are no logical, secular, and Consitutional justifications to deny homosexuals marriage rights.

Well unless you're planning on starting your own state, you better start to care.

Again, I don't care if homosexual marriages are recognized in fundamentalist Christianity. I care that they are recognized by the government.

Just because fundamentalist Christianity is well known for its irrational, unthinking, vacuous intolerance and hatred, particularly for homosexuals and their equal rights, does not mean the government is subject to legislating according to the Bible or how fundamentalists view the Bible. This is not about recognition of marriages in religion such as fundamentalist Christianity, but rather in the government.

 

[jasperbound]

And that is not due to U.S. laws being subject to what the Bible says. It is subject to members of the population, legislators, and the president forcing their religious beliefs onto others, which is not only immoral, but also unconstitutional. Thankfully the courts are stepping in and have continued to decide that there are no logical, secular, and Consitutional justifications to deny homosexuals marriage rights.

Just as there are courts that are deciding otherwise. Who's right? Who's wrong?

 

[Mechanical Bliss]

I have to disagree because monogamous and unrelated heterosexuals aren't allowed to marry people of the same sex either.

No they don't. They have the same right to not be able to marry someone of the same sex as do heterosexuals who also cannot marry someone of the same sex.

Another poorly thought out argument.

A few decades ago, the argument was that since white people could only marry someone of their own race and other races could only marry someone of their own respective race, they all had equal rights. Obviously that notion is absurd and discriminatory.

Heterosexuals can marry the person they actually would want to marry. Obviously homosexuals wouldn't want to marry the opposite gender in the first place, so marriage is not an option.

Your argument is vacuous.

We, as a Christians are bound by Jesus Christ to use His Word to teach, rebuke, correct and to train in righteousness.

Perhaps so, but it will not be tolerated when it inteferes with others' rights, as it has in this instance and has in American and World History.

That and we do not live in a Christian theocracy, so your argument is worthless and does not justify banning gay marriage. I suggest you get over it.