Misconceptions about Protestants

[chilehed]

I can indeed.
How DO we know, or do we just live in "limbo" all of our lives
without ever knowing if we know anything?

(limbo comment was me joking)

Read what I said very, very carefully. I specifically referred to matters of divine revelation. The fact that Christ instituted a Church government and gave it the authority to teach in His name is provable through natural revelation: you can demonstrate it using historical evidence and human reason. Christ promised that we would be led into truth, and He uses the teaching authority of the Church which He established as the vehicle by which we are led. It's an objective source of guidance.

This idea that the Holy Spirit will internally guide each individual believer into a true understanding of divine revelation is an invention of the Reformation, and it's nothing less than a claim that every individual believer is his own Pope.

 

[Lively Stone]

Miconception about Pr's #55: they are minimalists

Preach it Sis! Water that's allowed to stagnate starts to stink very quickly - especially when the heat is turned up

It also evaporates into thin air...

 

[razeontherock]

This idea that the Holy Spirit will internally guide each individual believer into a true understanding of divine revelation is an invention of the Reformation, and it's nothing less than a claim that every individual believer is his own Pope.

We already covered the latter part of this, back around misconception #54 I think.

Here's where the former part is covered:

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth:"

 

[Lively Stone]

Read what I said very, very carefully. I specifically referred to matters of divine revelation. The fact that Christ instituted a Church government and gave it the authority to teach in His name is provable through natural revelation: you can demonstrate it using historical evidence and human reason. Christ promised that we would be led into truth, and He uses the teaching authority of the Church which He established as the vehicle by which we are led. It's an objective source of guidance.

This idea that the Holy Spirit will internally guide each individual believer into a true understanding of divine revelation is an invention of the Reformation, and it's nothing less than a claim that every individual believer is his own Pope.

There is no Church government that Jesus instituted. That is man's idea.

Jesus has given all of His followers--all Christians (who are the Church, the Bride of Christ) His authority to preach the Gospel in His power and in His name.

The Reformation did a good thing in breaking away from the control of the RCC where no one could have the freedom in Christ He longed to give. Holy Spirit engineered that break-out. Where would we be today without it? I shudder to think! Praise God Almighty!

 

[sunlover1]

Miconception about Pr's #55: they are minimalists

Do you just lay in bed and think this stuff up? LOL

Preach it Sis! Water that's allowed to stagnate starts to stink very quickly - especially when the heat is turned up

No worries about that bro ... it's like fire !

That's why we don't lean on our own understanding. Miconception about Pr's #56: Pr's lean on their own understanding, which must be the only reason they don't follow the Pope.

See?!

 

[chilehed]

That's why we don't lean on our own understanding...

You can claim that if you like, but you haven't actually shown that it's true.

You read the Scriptures and think it means that you are given a charism of the Holy Spirit that enables you to correctly understand divine revelation within yourself, even though the Scriptures don't say that at all. And if someone disagrees with you, you claim that they are rejecting God's Word.

In other words, you are your own Pope.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Not really, we just "venerate" & "reverence " it. "Dulia, not latria. Not even the "hyperdulia" worship y'all give Mary.

The thump of a righteous man availeth much.

Two people agreed earlier that the Bible is God.

 

[Fireinfolding]

No worries about that bro ... it's like fire!

You called?

 

[razeontherock]

You can claim that if you like, but you haven't actually shown that it's true.

And you would know this how??

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Well, would you let your children go to some Mormon church event or a Muslim school? Of course not. Why would you want your children to be taught things contrary to what you are trying to teach them? There are Catholic Vacation Bible Schools if you want your kids to participate in that sort of thing.

Nice one! Equating us with Mormons and, even worse, Muslims! Classic! Also, that "sort of thing" comment rocks, too!
Man, I love reading this board! Burn em all, baby!

I didn't "equate", I compared. Would you send your children to a religious program where you knew they were teaching them false ideas and participating in false worship and thus blur the difference between the true religion and false religion?

Would you send your children to a Catholic program if you knew they would be taught falsehoods and superstitions? Of course not, how is that any different than sending them to a Mormon or Jehovah's Witness group or even Freemasons or Muslims? False is false and we have a solemn obligation to raise our children in the faith, not to confuse them and fill their head with mixed ideas.

 

[razeontherock]

Do you just lay in bed and think this stuff up? LOL

No, I thought you'd recognize that one! Many times you've engaged Ortho when he called something "minimalist," and RC's chimed in saying that's what Pr is.

 

[sunlover1]

You called?

rofl.
No I said fire, not firecritter.
but hang around, it's fun!

 

[razeontherock]

Two people agreed earlier that the Bible is God.

And there He is in the midst of them

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

Let's be real here: this is not anything even remotely similar to anything that has ever happened in our lifetime! It may be that you and I were approx the same age (20 in my case) when we first embraced Christianity, coupled to a building with other people in it. I have never encountered anything acceptable within RC, but G-d did take hold of my life, shake everything violently, and plant me right in the middle of some who knew Him. And He bore witness to them by His Spirit, because Christ was consistent in what He revealed.

You apparently experienced something that brought you to RC.

Nowhere was there anybody "separating themselves from us."

What if someone feels convinced about a conversion to Mormonism or to a non-Christian religion? Does your opinion change on whether they were inspired by God to do so?

Evangelical Christian converts to Islam

 

[razeontherock]

You called?

 

[sunlover1]

And there He is in the midst of them

rofl.
Love looks good on you ray

 

[razeontherock]

What if someone feels convinced about a conversion to Mormonism or to a non-Christian religion? Does your opinion change on whether they were inspired by God to do so?

This goes back to what you said previously: revealed by Christ.

 

[Fireinfolding]

rofl.
No I said fire, not firecritter.
but hang around, it's fun!

Im off to bed, ya really need to get out more sun

I betcha think going to the dentist for a root canal is "fun" too sis

 

[boswd]

There is no Church government that Jesus instituted. That is man's idea.

Jesus has given all of His followers--all Christians (who are the Church, the Bride of Christ) His authority to preach the Gospel in His power and in His name.

The Reformation did a good thing in breaking away from the control of the RCC where no one could have the freedom in Christ He longed to give. Holy Spirit engineered that break-out. Where would we be today without it? I shudder to think! Praise God Almighty!

actually that's not true, the fact he chose Apostles who then set up Bishops is most certainly the structure and order that Christ set up.
I don't care if it's called a government or what have not, it's most certianly is structure.

He did not say well I did what I had to, well good luck everyone , everyone for themselves.

 

[PilgrimToChrist]

This goes back to what you said previously: revealed by Christ.

Well, which is the religion revealed by Christ?