Miscarriages

[InTheFlame]

Are you expecting, InTheFlame?

Yup! 11 weeks along today

I had two miscarriages before this... and me being me, did a lot of reading about the whys and wherefores of miscarriage. It's interesting to see what they're still discovering.

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

Yes, InTheFlame, congratulations to you. How exciting. And to add to ProfessorMom's cautions, no bungee jumping or skydiving (since she left those out).

 

[InTheFlame]

PM - I've been meaning to buy some classical music! Rachmaninov, maybe. Tchaikovsky. Any suggestions? I like music with a bit of spirit, piano concertoes are a bit tame for me, usually...

And my cats are feeling rather unloved atm, although hubby is doing his best to make up for my neglect!

 

[InTheFlame]

I wonder how your health care practices differ from those in the US. Are homebirths common?

They happen (planned, that is). Most births are in hospital, though. We have a few birthing centres, usually attached to hospitals... they're for natural, low-risk, drug-free births. Often allow water births etc. I'm hoping to get into the one close to us... but getting in requires winning a lottery (seriously!).

 

[InTheFlame]

Yes, InTheFlame, congratulations to you. How exciting. And to add to ProfessorMom's cautions, no bungee jumping or skydiving (since she left those out).

Thanks!

I must admit, both are nearly the furthest things from my mind. Lying on the couch watching TV or reading is about as much as I feel capable of (after getting home from work, that is!).

 

[Jennie726]

I honestly think the teeth flossing thing is a little bit far fetched. Like some have the need to put the blame on something, anything and when all else fails why not how often you floss your teeth.

Sometimes miscarriages happen through no fault of our own and as hard as it might be we have to accept that.

I so agree with your post!!

 

[InTheFlame]

How long are your hospital stays? When my mother began to have children I think she was in for 5 days; and with her last couple I believe it was 3 days. (Actually, I think that is backwards - I think the more children you have at home, the more time you should get to rest before tackling all that laundry - )

LOL - I agree! 2 days, usually... but up to 5 isn't rare. It depends whether the new mum is breastfeeding OK, recovered (mostly) from labour, all the plumbing functional, etc.

When I had our children, 24 hours was what we allways stayed, however one of my children stayed 3 days. I recently heard of a gal who delivered and left within 12 hours. My husband calls them drive-by or drive-through birthings.

Wow. I couldn't have done that with my first. It took days just to work out how to pee without crying! (PS. that's not a standard post-labour symptom, pregnant gals).

A lottery. I do know that birthing centers are more common, but I think it is basically first-come first-served.

Mmmm... it's a bit strange. Apparently there's a 30-50% chance of getting in (unless you're deemed high-risk).

 

[InTheFlame]

I may not be the best person to ask for advice on this, I like too many genres. - I do like Mozart for his zippy tunes, but I also tire of him after a time. It would kind of depend on your mood. I just stayed away from too much hard rock type music.

Yeah, the hard rock could hurt once bubs gets big enough to kick hard in time!

 

[Jennie726]

I have had 2 miscarriages, and have lost 3 angels. The first one I had at 10 weeks was, they believe to be just a normal miscarriage. No reason.

My 2nd with the twins, I was 18 weeks along and my water broke. The doctors diagnosed this miscarriage as a cause from twin to twin transfusion.

I don't believe flossing affected either of mine.
(Sorry! I left this out in my other posts )

 

[InTheFlame]

I know many wouldn't agree with me, but having had several babies, I think a nice stay makes for a more rested, happy mother. Plus it gives you opportunity to ask so many questions while you're recuperating.

I would agree IF there was more visual stimulation. I get depressed very quickly in hospitals... everything's so sterile and yuck. I used to love going to hospital as a kid! Lots of bright colours, toys, fun nurses...

Now, is high-risk due to maternal health as well as maternal age?

Yup. And the baby's health, too... if they've noticed any abnormalities, if the baby's breech (and therefore might need a c-section), etc. With maternal health... things like heart conditions, gestational diabetes, pre-eclampsia... anything that might require urgent intervention means that you're high-risk and can't use a birthing centre. That said... I suspect our standard birthing suites might be a bit more 'hippy'-like than in the US. On my pregnancy record is a page for a birthing plan, and it includes things you can ask for in the birthing suite, like birthing balls, aromatherapy oils, etc.

The information you provided is very interesting. We have a very high infant mortality rate here and given the "technology" I would think otherwise. If someone were to stay longer than a day or two in the hospital over here, these days others would question their health.

Mmmmm... based on anecdotal knowledge, the rate of newborn mortalities does seem to be lower here. I don't have any statistics or facts for that, though.

 

[InTheFlame]

PS. Sorry, I've wandered completely off-topic!

 

[InTheFlame]

To go back onto topic...

Has anyone who's suffered a miscarriage (or major problems TTCing) had their homocysteine levels checked? This seems to be one of the newer miscarriage diagnoses appearing...

 

[jgonz]

I also wish doctors would do progesterone testing in women 30 and older. There is a link between low progesterone and miscarriages. I'm still learning about progesterone but natural, prescription-strength progesterone has been shown to have amazing effects on pregnancy in the first trimester for women with low progesterone. Some signs of low progesterone can include short cycles (26 days or less), stress (progesterone actually helps calm an expectant mother), weight gain and just being an older mother. Progesterone can also help prevent preterm labor in some women. Anyhow, just knowing progesterone levels can help so many women.

I TOTALLY agree with you OreGal.

I've been shocked at how many moms I know (myself included) are low pregesterone and that's very possibly why we've all miscarried. Being estrogen dominant in this day & age is apparently becoming more common...

 

[Entertaining_Angels]

I TOTALLY agree with you OreGal.

I've been shocked at how many moms I know (myself included) are low pregesterone and that's very possibly why we've all miscarried. Being estrogen dominant in this day & age is apparently becoming more common...

And the studies are amazing...here are a couple I've run across (they discuss both synthetic and natural progesterone):

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The role of a single progesterone measurement in the diagnosis of early pregnancy failure and the prognosis of fetal viability.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=7612529

CONCLUSIONS: A single serum progesterone measurement taken in early pregnancy is valuable in the immediate diagnosis of early pregnancy failure and the long term prognosis of viability.

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Use of acetomepregenol in the treatment of threatened habitual miscarriage

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=2774075

Of 104 women treated with acetomepregenol during the 1st trimester, 87 gave birth to normal babies, 8 had miscarriage at 12-27 weeks of gestation, and 9 had premature labor. The only side-effect of acetomepregenol was nausea recorded in 24% of the patients.

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Effects of Vaginal Progesterone on Pain and Uterine Contractility in Patients with Threatened Abortion before Twelve Weeks of Pregnancy

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15731312

conclusion, patients with threatened abortion benefit from vaginal progesterone by a reduction of UCs and pain. The use of vaginal progesterone improved the outcome of pregnancies complicated by threatened abortion and previous diagnosis of inadequate luteal phase.

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Nearly 10,000 preterm births could have been prevented in 2002

http://www.news-medical.net/?id=7567
Nearly 10,000 preterm births could have been prevented in 2002 if all pregnant women at high risk for a premature baby and eligible for weekly injections of a derivative of the hormone progesterone had received them, according to a new study published in the February issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology.


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And, a study showing stress leads to reduction in progesterone levels which leads to miscarriage:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4002539.stm

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okay, so there are more than a couple. I tend to research things to death but I've learned so much plus there is a site online with amazing stories of the effect of natural prescription-strength progesterone on pregnancy. Women post their stories there and they made a believer of me.

 

[JesusChristChick]

THIS POLL IS ONLY FOR WOMEN WHO HAVE EXPERIENCED AT LEAST ONE MISCARRIAGE!!!

For those of you who have experienced a miscarriage or more, I am deeply sorry and can't even imagine what it feels like to go through something like that!

I was watching a show today that had a doctor talking about different things and one of the things was regarding miscarriages....

Here is the question: If you have had at least one miscarriage, I'm curious how often you floss your teeth? I know this sounds weird....

Please vote truthfully in the poll....

I agree, I don't think that flossing has anything to do with it. I think stress has something to do with it, maybe being over weight before you get pregnant or being older, but not flossing. Interesting thought, though.
God bless you,
~JCC

 

[marezee]

at the time i had my miscarriage, i flossed only when i had something stuck in my teeth,...about once a week.
now, i floss every day. It was not due to the miscarriage, but because my gums were bleeding and i had the beginnings of ginivitis.
i don't think flossing has anything to do with miscarriage. that is very strange.
i was told that it is common for women to miscarry their first pregnancy. (which was my case.)

 

[Laurie919]

I have lost five babies. I know that three of them were God's protection for the child and Taylor and I.