Miscarriage?

[DebbienPaul]

My husband and I recently had 2 miscarriages one at 7 weeks and one at 12 weeks. I would like to know if they are in heaven. I know I have a lot to learn about God, but any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.

Deb

 

[ZiSunka]

PM me with your address. I'd love to send you a book on this subject. Should answer all your questions definitively.

 

[BarbB]

I believe so!!

 

[Oblio]

DebbienPaul,

My wife and I lost a baby at 12 wks and are comforted by the fact that the Orthodox Church teaches that they are in Heaven with Christ and all the Saints.

 

[HomeBound]

Just my opinion and quite possibly, fantasy.

I dont think those souls were ever sent down here. Maybe they chickened out.

but at any rate...

YES they are in heaven.

 

[water_ripple]

I am truly sorry for your loss.

My husband and I lost our first baby at 12 weeks. We were overjoyed at having a child. We wanted this more than anything. It was horrible when we learned the news. It was the type of miscarriage called a blighted ovum. My body reabsorbed the baby because of some chromisonal defect and all that was left was the placenta and extra tissue (nothing that was of a fetus). So, with our hearts broken we scheduled a D&C. Dillitation and Cutterage. To my horror my 2nd doctor suggested that I was having an abortion. Naturally, this filled me with rage and I screamed, "Doctor (so and so) there is no baby there anymore, and I cannot understand Y you would suggest this!!!" This of course twisted the pain even further.

For a long time I was angry at God and turned away from Him. My marriage suffered desperately almost to the point of divorce. And I drank all of the time indulging in my own self pity caring nothing for the feelings of my husband who was having a difficult time as well. I was in a downward spiral and still praying for a child. Also, I prayed for God to intervene in my marriage.

Nothing was my answer and I dispaired. I was still angry with God and blamed Him for everything that was wrong in my life.

Finally when I was finished being angry and ready to deal with the loss of my unborn child I had hit bottom. In a sea of tears I asked God for forgiveness through Christ and was almost immediately relieved of my burdens. In my experience I had to come to terms that God knew what was best and took my child into heaven. I think He knew I couldn't deal with a child with disabilities. I haven't the strenght for it. Those of you who raise children with disabilities I must say I'm not worthy-you guys are really special people.

No longer do I despair for I know that one day I will reunite with this child and he will meet his two sisters.

 

[Serapha]

Hi there!




Many people debate whether the unborn child has a soul. I believe that it does for the following reason.


The soul is different from the spirit (the breath given by God at birth). The soul is the intellect, the emotions, and the will of the person, in Hebrew, the inner being.

I once viewed a sonagram (sp ?) of a baby that was going to be aborted.


The first image was a small body at peace in it's mother's womb, but when the probe was inserted into the womb, the baby tried to move away from the probe. That told me that the fetus had the intellect to know that something was wrong... it moved away again and again as if in knowing and fearing that something was wrong (is fear an emotion???)... and it never seemed to be the will of the fetus to die. It is hard to imagine that the safest place possible for an unborn child can become it's death bed at abortion. No baby lies there without trying to escape the abortion. That should tell everyone something.


That showed me that an unborn baby has a soul... and when the physcial body of that baby dies, the soul enters into the presense of God for eternity.


If you have lost a child, you have my sympathies, but you also have a deposit in heaven.


~malaka~

 

[HomeBound]

That must have been horrible to watch Malaka.

Although, I don't agree. It wouldn't make sense for God to put a soul into a body if he knows it isn't going to live.

 

[TCapp]

Maybe God doesn't "put a soul" in someone. Maybe the soul comes into being when sperm meets egg (no proof, just speculation).

 

[Karl - Liberal Backslider]

Maybe God doesn't "put a soul" in someone. Maybe the soul comes into being when sperm meets egg (no proof, just speculation).

Or later. Perhaps it comes into being gradually. My contention is that the soul is an emergent property of the brain.

I do not know what plans God has for souls that are only partly developed, being properties of brains that are not developed. Rest assured that they are plans based in mercy and love, not anything else.

 

[Rafael]

I do not know what plans God has for souls that are only partly developed, being properties of brains that are not developed. Rest assured that they are plans based in mercy and love, not anything else.

This would be my answer, amen.

 

[great]

Mark 9:7 - "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me and whoever welcomes me does not welcome me but the one who sent me."

Luke 18:16 - "But Jesus called the children to him and said, 'Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.' "

And finally, Matthew 18:3 - "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven."

If Jesus accepts adults into heaven when they have become like little children, how much more will he accept the little children themselves? I believe that your babies are in heaven.

 

[HomeBound]

Brains have nothing to do with souls.

 

[Techbot]

I'd have to say that the soul comes with life. I'm no expert, but basing it on the creation of man ... "God breathed life into his nostrils and man became a living soul"

As for small children and unborns, I believe in the grace of God covering those who are too small to make the decision to choose Christ.

 

[Blindfaith]

Reminder:

For those who have already posted or those who are about to, this is a Christian Only forum, and not one to debate within. If a debate is wanted, please go to another foruim, such as General Apologetics, General Theology, Spirituality & Religion, Philosophy & Morality, etc.............

 

[HomeBound]

was that to me?

 

[ByGrace]

My goodness! This person has lost a child and this crud of debating the soulessness of that child is going on. INSENSITIVE!

My dear sister the answer is YES! PRAISE GOD! Your beautiful child is in Heaven and you will unite with your baby one day. God bless and keep you through this trial.

 

[HeatherJay]

I'm so sorry for your loss but so happy for you that, through it, you found God. I agree with the other posters that your children are in heaven. In my opinion, all children (born or unborn) are saved by Grace.

Love, Heather

 

[ByGrace]

was that to me?

I would certainly hope so. Take a good long look at what you have been spewing in this thread. Then take a good long look at what this person needs right now. If you can still support your talk, get a therapist.

 

[Rising_Suns]

Yes your children are in heaven. The Catholic church teaches that there is an age of accountability. When you grow up enough to where you have gained enough knowledge and brain function to accept Christ, then you start to become more accountable. Babies are definately not accoutable, thus hold no sin on their shoulders. Your children are in good hands.