Ministers threatened with jail and thousands in fines for refusing to marry gays

[Queller]

Maybe. That hasn't been determined, but my guess is that there are other Christian business owners who will find themselves in a predicament because of this bullying law

No matter how many times you repeat it, telling all businesses they must abide by the same laws is not bullying.

 

[YeShallTread]

I'm an ordained pastor, Garfield. Why don't you tell me which laws I am specifically exempt from?

As an "ordained pastor" which laws should you specifically follow? The warped laws man has suddenly instigated that are works of darkness or...those of the One you are ordained to serve?

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.​

 

[bhsmte]

As an "ordained pastor" which laws should you specifically follow? The warped laws man has suddenly instigated that are works of darkness or...those of the One you are ordained to serve?

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.​

Why do you choose to live in a country with warped laws?

 

[bhsmte]

No matter how many times you repeat it, telling all businesses they must abide by the same laws is not bullying.

To some, it is comforting though.

 

[Queller]

Being against homosexual marriage =/= against homosexuals. I'm not sure how these are taken as discrimination cases.

What happens if they refused service for a interracial marriage I wonder? Which race would they be discriminating against with this logic?

"A tax on wearing yarmulkes is a tax on Jews."

Guess which Supreme Court Justice said that?

 

[Queller]

Hi, Artemis.

Let's consider the definition of bullying to see if the municipality's actions qualify: Bullying - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion ...​

Yep, the municipality is employing the threat of fines and jail time to coerce.

... to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others.​

Was the municipality intending to intimidate?

Given the threat of jail time and thousands of dollars in fines, the answer is an unqualified yes.

Perhaps you disagree, but by definition the municipality's actions appear to be a clear case of bullying.

Is the government also being a bully when they tell you that there will be fines and jail time if you break other laws? Theft? Vandalism? Murder? Speeding?

Are you seriously claiming that if the government says that there will be negative consequences if you break the law, then that is bullying?

 

[YeShallTread]

Why do you choose to live in a country with warped laws?

I love this country...wouldn't live anywhere else. The laws are warped by liberals. Here we have the ability to vote them out. Then, perhaps, they would go to live in Cuba? Russia? A number of places would welcome them with open arms. Until then the battle rages of right vs left. As Jesus said:

John 21:6 And He said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.​

 

[bhsmte]

I love this country...wouldn't live anywhere else. The laws are warped by liberals. Here we have the ability to vote them out. Then, perhaps, they would go to live in Cuba? Russia? A number of places would welcome them with open arms. Until then the battle rages of right vs left. As Jesus said:

John 21:6 And He said unto them, Cast the net on the right side of the ship, and ye shall find. They cast therefore, and now they were not able to draw it for the multitude of fishes.​

Better also throw out the conservative judges that ruled for SSM as well.

 

[GarfieldJL]

"A tax on wearing yarmulkes is a tax on Jews."

Guess which Supreme Court Justice said that?

I don't get how that is even relevant... A yarmulke just identifies a person as Jewish, it is a part of religious garb...

Nobody is proposing to tax someone based on who they sleep in the same bedroom with...

 

[Queller]

Incorrect.

The city, according to the legal filings, imposed both fines and incarceration as penalties for non-compliance with its new ordinance.

Has the chapel been fined or has anyone been incarcerated?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Why do you choose to live in a country with warped laws?

Lets be fair about that. There are no countries without warped laws.

 

[Queller]

People who run businesses are now assumed to have forfeited their rights, including their right to conscience.

They are being bullied.
Disagree?
Well bully for you.

Not even close. A more correct statement would be;

"People who run businesses are assumed to know that they must follow the law when running their business."

 

[Queller]

Your rationale?

The fact that they haven't been fined or jailed would be one rationale for believing they haven't been fined or jailed.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

As an "ordained pastor" which laws should you specifically follow? The warped laws man has suddenly instigated that are works of darkness or...those of the One you are ordained to serve?

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.​

Could you be so kind as to provide and explain to us the verses in the Bible, and specifically ones directly quoting Jesus, that pertain to marriage?

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

As an "ordained pastor" which laws should you specifically follow? The warped laws man has suddenly instigated that are works of darkness or...those of the One you are ordained to serve?

Ephesians 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.​

What about the morality of marrying all those strangers without proper pre marital counseling?

 

[Queller]

I don't get how that is even relevant... A yarmulke just identifies a person as Jewish, it is a part of religious garb...

Just like getting married in a same-sex wedding identifies a person as a homosexual...

Nobody is proposing to tax someone based on who they sleep in the same bedroom with...

<sigh> Discriminating against the behavior of a certain group, is discriminating against that group.

 

[bhsmte]

What about the morality of marrying all those strangers without proper pre marital counseling?

Does not appear to be a concern of theirs. And, by their website, they didn't have a problem marrying those with different religious beliefs either.

Big problem with homosexuals though.

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Does not appear to be a concern of theirs. And, by their website, they didn't have a problem marrying those with different religious beliefs either.

Big problem with homosexuals though.

Well in that case my sympathy for them is considerably lowered.

 

[GarfieldJL]

Does not appear to be a concern of theirs. And, by their website, they didn't have a problem marrying those with different religious beliefs either.

So they may have married couples from different Christian Denominations, I fail to see the point you're trying to make.

Big problem with homosexuals though.

Except those other marriages were between 1 man and 1 woman, in accordance to biblical teachings...

 

[Queller]

So they may have married couples from different Christian Denominations, I fail to see the point you're trying to make.

Probably because you didn't actually read any of the posts that showed what type of marriages the wedding chapel used to host. They included Christian ceremonies as well as those of other religions and civil (non-religious) ceremonies.

Except those other marriages were between 1 man and 1 woman, in accordance to biblical teachings...

Too bad they married those of other religions in spite of Biblical teachings. I bet they even, at some point, married a Christian to someone of another religion!