Millennial Temple & Sacrifices

[JM]

Prophecies of a Millennial Temple: ​

Joel 3:18

Isaiah 2:3

Isaiah 60:13

Daniel 9:24

Haggai 2:7,9



Prophecies of animal sacrifices in the future Temple:

Isaiah 56:6,7

Isaiah 60:7

Jeremiah 33:18

Zechariah 14:16-21

 

[Dave Taylor]

Some other Premillenniam expectations in their future Premill Temple that you omitted.



Ezekiel 43:18-27
"And He said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon. And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto Me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering. And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it. Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary. And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock. When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish. And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD. Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish. Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves. And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD."

Ezekiel 44:9 "Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary"

Ezekiel 46:20 "Then said He unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people."


That's the type of Kingdom that Premillennialism is looking forward to.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Some other Premillenniam expectations in their future Premill Temple that you omitted.



Ezekiel 43:18-27
"And He said unto me, Son of man, thus saith the Lord GOD; These are the ordinances of the altar in the day when they shall make it, to offer burnt offerings thereon, and to sprinkle blood thereon. And thou shalt give to the priests the Levites that be of the seed of Zadok, which approach unto me, to minister unto Me, saith the Lord GOD, a young bullock for a sin offering. And thou shalt take of the blood thereof, and put it on the four horns of it, and on the four corners of the settle, and upon the border round about: thus shalt thou cleanse and purge it. Thou shalt take the bullock also of the sin offering, and he shall burn it in the appointed place of the house, without the sanctuary. And on the second day thou shalt offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they did cleanse it with the bullock. When thou hast made an end of cleansing it, thou shalt offer a young bullock without blemish, and a ram out of the flock without blemish. And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD. Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish. Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves. And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD."

Ezekiel 44:9 "Thus saith the Lord GOD; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary"

Ezekiel 46:20 "Then said He unto me, This is the place where the priests shall boil the trespass offering and the sin offering, where they shall bake the meat offering; that they bear them not out into the utter court, to sanctify the people."


That's the type of Kingdom that Premillennialism is looking forward to.

Just yet another sick, twisted perversion of dispensationalism, that denies the sufficiency of the Blood of Christ and perverts and distorts the Atonement.

If animal sacrifices are efficacious as is claimed by this branch of dispensationalism, then the Blood of Christ is made null and void.

 

[JM]

Well, we should let the Bible speak.

Rom. 11:11-12
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall (sin/transgression) salvation is (now offered) come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (the Body of Christ/the Church) 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. see Hos. 2:14-23

Gaebelien points out that the glory of the Lord returns to this temple and makes His dwelling place there (Eze. 43:1-6). The same "glory" which Ezekiel saw departing from Solomon's Temple at the time of Judah's apostasy (Eze. 9:3; 10:4, 18; 11:22-23; cf. 43: 1-6). However, the glory cloud that left Solomon's temple did not return to the temple built by the Jewish remnant that returned to the land from Babylon. No glory filled that house as it does in the one described by Ezekiel. And significantly, unlike the temple built after the Babylonian captivity, Ezekiel's temple describes no high priests presiding over its worship, nor can the healing waters that flow from this temple in any way be applied to the restored temple built by the returned Babylonian remnant.

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"For thus says the Lord, 'David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to prepare sacrifices continually '" (Jer 33:17-18). "Thus says the Lord, 'If you can break My covenant for the day, and My covenant for the night, so that day and night will not be at their appointed time, then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levitical priests, My ministers. 'As the host of heaven cannot be counted, and the sand of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me' " (Jer 33:20-22).




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[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Well, we should let the Bible speak.


Rom. 11:11-12
I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall (sin/transgression) salvation is (now offered) come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (the Body of Christ/the Church) 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. see Hos. 2:14-23



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"For thus says the Lord, 'David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings, and to prepare sacrifices continually '" (Jer 33:17-18). "Thus says the Lord, 'If you can break My covenant for the day, and My covenant for the night, so that day and night will not be at their appointed time, then My covenant may also be broken with David My servant that he shall not have a son to reign on his throne, and with the Levitical priests, My ministers. 'As the host of heaven cannot be counted, and the sand of the sea cannot be measured, so I will multiply the descendants of David My servant and the Levites who minister to Me' " (Jer 33:20-22).






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Yes, let's let the Scriptures speak;

1 Corinthians 3:15-17

15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.


1 Corinthians 6:18-20

18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? 20 For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body[a] and in your spirit, which are God’s.



2 Corinthians 6:16
And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “ I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God,And they shall be My people.”


Ephesians 2;
19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22 in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.


The OT prophecies of the new temple are fulfilled in the Church.

 

[JM]

No where in plain Scripture is it taught that Jesus Christ Himself is now the fulfillment of the Temple, it does not reveal Him to be its fulfillment now during the present time or in the Millennial period to come. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment in the eternal state which is found only in the future, Replacement/Reformed theology is in error on this point.

After Christ's Millennial reign on earth God will create a New Heaven and a New Earth, and it is found in Scripture that the New Jerusalem 'comes down' out of heaven in Rev. 21. We read in Revelations that in this Holy City there is "no temple" (sanctuary) because "the Lord God, the Almighty, and the Lamb (Jesus Christ) are its temple" (sanctuary, Rev. 21:22-23).

Read and compare the word to what A was C has to say.

 

[JM]

Just yet another sick, twisted perversion of dispensationalism, that denies the sufficiency of the Blood of Christ and perverts and distorts the Atonement.

If animal sacrifices are efficacious as is claimed by this branch of dispensationalism, then the Blood of Christ is made null and void.

Guilt by association (the Catholic remark) is a logial fallacy and falls under the type of 'red herring.' Animal sacrifices are never effiacious and you know it (unless you need me to explain a little about the OT types?), this is another red herring.


What I find humorous is your name, Augustine.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

Geee, I guess to some it simply is not good enough that Paul, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit says that the Church of saints is the Temple of God.

No, to the iron literalist is has to be spelled out in precise terms, unless it pertains to eschatology, then they make all kinds of wild deductions and conclusions from numerology and passages taken out of context.

Scripture is abundantly clear that the Church is the New Temple, the old having passed away.

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

After Christ's Millennial reign on earth God will create a New Heaven and a New Earth

Wrong!

The new heavens and new earth are regenerated at the Second Coming of Christ whereby all come out of the grave to be judged and the goats separated from the sheep.

2 Peter 3;
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[c] 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

 

[JM]

Wrong!

The new heavens and new earth are regenerated at the Second Coming of Christ whereby all come out of the grave to be judged and the goats separated from the sheep.

2 Peter 3;
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[c] 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

You're mixed up a little A was a C.

Maybe this quote will help.

Where is the Church found in each event? ​

• At the Rapture, Jesus comes FOR His Church. (John 14:1-3, 1 Thess 4:14-17)​

  
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• At the Glorious Appearing, Jesus comes WITH His Church. (Zech 14:5, Col 3:4, Jude 14, Rev 19:14)​

  
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Where does Jesus appear in each event?




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• At the Rapture, Christians are caught up to meet Jesus in the air (1 Thess 4:13-18)​
• At the Glorious Appearing, Jesus' feet touch the earth (Zech 14:4, Rev:19:11-21)​

Who is taken and who is left behind?​

• At the Rapture, Christians are taken first and unbelievers are left behind. (1 Thess 4:13-18)​

  
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• At the Glorious Appearing, the wicked are taken first, but the righteous (the tribulation saints) are left behind. (Matt 13:28-30)​

  
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What will Jesus do at each event?​

• At the Rapture, Jesus will gather His Bride, the Church, unto Himself in preparation of the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. (Rev. 19:6-9)
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• At the Glorious Appearing, Jesus will execute judgment on the earth and establish His Kingdom. (Zech 14:3-4, Jude 14-15, Rev 19:11-21)

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When does the Marriage Supper of the Lamb take place?



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• The Marriage Supper of the Lamb takes place in Heaven AFTER the Rapture of the Church. (Revelation 19:6-9)​
• War on earth comes AFTER the Marriage Supper of the Lamb at the Glorious Appearing when the King of kings and Lord of lords lays the smackdown on evil! (Revelation 19:11-21)

How long will each event be?​

• The Rapture will happen in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye (Blink- it's over!). (1 Cor 15:52)
• The Glorious Appearing will be a slow coming. Everyone will see Jesus coming with great power and great glory! (Zech 12:10, Matt 24:30, Rev 1:7)

Who will see Jesus at each event?​

• At the Rapture, only those who are looking for Him (Christians) will see Him. (1 John 3:2, 1 Cor 15:52)​
• At the Glorious Appearing, every eye will see Him and those who have rejected Him will wail.(Rev. 1:7)​

Will Jesus shout?​

• At the Rapture, Jesus will descend from Heaven with a shout (calling for the saints at the resurrection). (1 Thess 4:16)​
• At the Glorious Appearing, no shout is mentioned, although the Lord does slay the wicked with the sword of His mouth. (Rev. 19:11-21)​

Will there be a resurrection at each?​

• At the Rapture, a resurrection will take place. (1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor 15:51-54)
• At the Glorious Appearing, there is no resurrection spoken of. (Zech. 12:10, Zech.14:4-5, Rev 1:7, 19:11-21)
  

What about the timing of each event?​

• The Rapture can happen at any time...maybe even now which is why we are to be WATCHING for the return of Jesus Christ! (Rev 3:3, 1 Thess 5:4-6)
• The Glorious Appearing will occur at the end of the seven-year tribulation period. (Dan 9:24-27, Matt 24:29-30, 2 Thess 2:3-8)

What role will the angels of Heaven have?​

• At the Rapture, no angels are sent to gather the Church.
• At the Glorious Appearing, angels will be sent to gather people together for judgment. (Matt 13:39, 41 & 49, Matt. 24:31, Matt. 25:31, 2 Thess 1:7-10)

What about the resurrected bodies?​

• At the Rapture, those who died in Christ will return with Jesus to recover their resurrected bodies. (1 Thess 4:14-16)
• At the Glorious Appearing, Christians will return with Jesus already in their resurrected bodies riding on white horses. (Rev 19:11-21)

White horse for Jesus or no white horse for Jesus?​

• At the Rapture, Jesus doesn't return riding a white horse.
• At the Glorious Appearing, Jesus will return riding a white horse. (Rev 19:11)

What is the message each event will bring for mankind?​

• The Rapture will bring with it a message of hope and comfort. (1 Thess 4:18, Titus 2:13, 1 John 3:3)
• The Glorious Appearing will bring with it a message of judgment. (Joel 3:12-16, Mal 4:5, Rev 19:11-21)

Well, you didn't even read it and you're already to make another post...lol. At least we agree, Dispensationalism is a theology that uses a literal method to understand the Bible.

 

[Jipsah]

Dispensationalism is a theology that uses a literal method to understand the Bible.

When it suits you, anyway. Of course, dispensationalists are also the folks who believe that 70*7>2500, and that sacrifice hasn't "officially" ceased yet. Literal? ha ha ha ha.

 

[JM]

Prophecies of a Millennial Temple: ​

Joel 3:18

Isaiah 2:3

Isaiah 60:13

Daniel 9:24

Haggai 2:7,9



Prophecies of animal sacrifices in the future Temple:

Isaiah 56:6,7

Isaiah 60:7

Jeremiah 33:18

Zechariah 14:16-21

And all of the above is spiritual...lol...right.

 

[JM]

Before I make this next post, I just wanted to say I’ve studied the issue from every possible angle. This doesn’t make what I say true in the real sense of the word true, but true to my experience and study. I understand the allegorical method employed, I don’t deny it’s merits and for the record I’m not a wooden/iron literalist either. It’s not my intention to change your theological opinion, I know how hard it is to change mine, I just want to encourage study so you will at least see the merits in the literal understanding of the millennium and the prophecies connected to it. After all, it was the understanding of the early Church until the time of Augustine.

As we read in Eze. 40 – 46 a revelation is given us, similar to the revelation given to ‘Moses fro the Tabernacle, and to David for the Temple.’ JND Synopsis of the Bible Understanding Scripture in a plain sense, we must believe that God will re-establish His Temple Sanctuary and the Sacrificial system during the millennium. The details given in the Word of God would make the Temple look like this:

The above picture is taken from a drawing make from the details given int the Bible, it can be found in the Companion Bible by E. W. Bullinger. See Appendix 88

Ezekiel is simply too exact to be understood in the ‘spiritual’ sense. In 2 Thess. 2:3-4 the apostle Paul tells us about the anti-Christ who ‘sitteth in the Temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.’ If anti-Christ is to be seated in the Temple, there has to be a Temple.

The issue of animal Sacrifices is a hard issue, but details are given in Eze. 40:39 – 42 and 43:18 – 46:24. It’s important to note, these animal Sacrifices are clearly different then those found in the Mosaic system with a few elements of the Mosaic system remaining. One theologian writes, ‘Doubtless these offerings will be memorial, looking back to the cross, as the offering under the old covenant were anticipatory, looking forward to the cross.’ We know that ‘it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins,’ Heb. 10:3 so if you believe different pls tell us what atonement means to you? Just as the Christian celebrates the Lord’s Supper as a memorial so will the Jewish nation have there’s in the context of the Jewish revelation and experience along Jewish characteristics.

Lets not forget the mention of the observance of the Sabbath! Isa. 66:20 – 23 reads, ‘the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me…’ and ‘…from one Sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me…’ You can’t have your cake and eat it to. To spiritualize the millennium means everything in the Book of Revelations up to chpt. 21 has already happened, and we are now living in a golden millennial age, where the meek have inherited the new heavens and the new earth.

I’m not convinced.

Too many literally fulfilled prophecies have been given, too may are given in great detail that await to be fulfilled.

This wasn't a troll post, I just wanted to discuss a literal understanding of what the Bible has to say.

Peace,

 

[Augustine_Was_Calvinist]

When it suits you, anyway. Of course, dispensationalists are also the folks who believe that 70*7>2500, and that sacrifice hasn't "officially" ceased yet. Literal? ha ha ha ha.

If it were not for the fact that those who believe there will be efficacious sacrifices in the temple in their millinium show a total understanding of the Gospel and Jesus Christ, as well as an attitude that tortures the Word of God, that would be funny.

 

[JM]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2248604-was-augustine-a-calvinist.html

 

[msortwell]

SP,

I understand the allegorical method employed, I don’t deny it’s merits and for the record I’m not a wooden/iron literalist either.

The allegorical method is not the hermeneutical method applied by the Reformed. Of allegorical interpretation Milton Terry, in his widely revered (in Reformed circles) book titled, “Biblical Hermeneutics,“ provides the following assessment. “But it can be seen at once that its habit is to disregard the common significance of words, and give wing to all manner of fanciful speculation. It does not draw out the legitimate meaning of the author’s language, but foists into it whatever the whim or fancy of the interpreter may be.”

The essential hermeneutical processes are the same for dispensationalists and the Reformed. Their different interpretations must be attributed to another cause.

Mike

 

[lightninboy]

Why would there need to be a temple and sacrifices in the Millennium, or in the Great Tribulation for that matter?

 

[JM]

Was posted = 27th October 2005, 11:44 PM

So much has changed in such a short while.

 

[lightninboy]

JM,

I like your avatar of Leadbelly.

 

[JM]

JM,

I like your avatar of Leadbelly.

Thank you, and with that...goodnight.