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Microcosm/Macrocosm? Why has the darkness in the world come to CF?!

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Has anyone noticed how a forum dedicated to the white light and loving kindness of the message of the Christ, has seemed to turn into the periodic darkness afforded by chaos, turmoil, hate, attack, intolerance and verbal (font style) assaults, upon one another, in the style of the adversary?

And how there are threads now that say, "Goodbye", because those posters don't feel the spirit calling them to remain on these boards?
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This is suppose to be an on~line community dedicated to fellowship, love, peace, wisdom and the spirit of Jesus. Wrapped in the universal loving awareness of the God of all.

No matter where we live in the world, we awaken to headlines or broadcast news reporting yet again of chaos, murders, uprisings, burnings of temples, churches, homes. Bloodshed and heart ache.
The end times can certainly be said to have arrived, for some sooner than others, as for the first time in history the human community is quite capable of at least making prophecy appear to be in the process of being fulfilled.

The middle east seeming to be the jumping off point.

But we can elect not to read the news, or we can turn the channel on the days latest reporting of more of the same.

Here, we're suppose to find sanctuary from all that. :groupray:

Right?

May the light of God and Christ bring peace unto our community circle.

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It is wonderful to see a post dedicated to making things better, indeed perfect.

I had a wonderful Christmas, I attended Church, and the Carol singing in the village and had a Christmas Eve posting Christmas greetings here on Christian Forums

Then I got back to work and there was a TV and newspapers and violence.

But to me they spoke of many many thousands of situations, millions in fact, all resolved amicably. What they didn't pay any attention to was those many successful resolutions. They focused on the bad and not on the good, and the good far far outweighs the bad.

There were multitudes of nice Christmases and people who visited their parents and where it went very well.

I don't have a TV or take a newspaper and I really do appreciate all the people of whatever allegiance who help to make the World a better place, and in many cases the place it actually already is.


There are a lot of happy people in this World. Working in rice paddies, herding Llamas, going to markets, and making toys.


I come here to learn to be a better person, not a worse person, and I would guess the same is true of a lot of people here.
 
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I don't watch cable news, save when I pause to see what may catch my attention, while I'm otherwise surfing the channels.

What is fascinating is that the attitudes here are just as bad as what's featured on cable news.
Cliques, that post only among one another. Freezing out anyone they judge for whatever reason to not be fitting to receive decent communication or treatment, in the light of their own interpretation of Christ.

Hate filled hearts who proudly proclaim equal rights as American citizens in marriage, which is not an exclusively Christian institution now, nor was it ever in history, must at all cost be denied to a select community of Americans simply because whom they choose to love, as consenting adults, is not to be allowed by law!
That an ancient scripture, in a bloody testament of intolerance, hate, slaughter, discrimination in the name of God, by God's edict, through his elect terrorists the Hebrews throughout all the Old Testament, stands today as reason for that.
When all other commands in that same book, are conveniently ignored. Because it's easier for hate to excuse something else compelled it, than for the hatemonger to accept responsibility for exhibiting it.
And then, what is truly heart wrenching in that issue of bigotry, those hatemongers say if only the target of their discrimination, bigotry, hate, would change! Then they would no longer be worthy as a target. If only they would repent being who they are, deemed as such as one then worthy of hate, they would be forgiven.

While those who hate them until then, are the ones that need to repent of their satanic heart.

That, is what is alive on these forums. And that is what is alive in the world outside it's URL.
We witness bloody slaughter of Christians in Muslim lands. Churches burned, the faithful murdered. Their faith found unworthy of tolerance, at the cost of their lives.
And it's horrific. Until, one realizes that intolerance is exactly what most Christians espouse about Islam! And others, in the name of their faith they are entitled.

The only difference being, they're not as prone to offensive violence in order to get the message across. Or are they?

Pro-Life Christians in this country go on trial after murdering life in the name of being compelled by zygote's supremacy. Bombs are planted or set off in clinics, in the name of forcing women to carry the seed, while the life in those clinics, the adult life even on floors above it, do not matter! When it comes to right to life, murder is thought to insure the message that womens lawful right to exercise private reproductive choice will get people killed.

And here, on these forums, the vehemence, the violence to that end in the off-line world, speaks.

The discrimination, the bigotry, the hate, the intolerance, the elitism, the clique' mentality, are all reflected in these forums, as examples of what is to be feared, guarded against, prayed for, an example of the damned, in the world at large.

No, cable news isn't to blame for bringing all that headlines to light.

People are. :o

God save us from ourselves.
 
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Has anyone noticed how a forum dedicated to the white light and loving kindness of the message of the Christ

Where did you get the idea that was the purpose of this forum? It may have Christian in the name, but it's really focused a small subset of Christian beliefs. Sure, others get occasional lip service, but disagree on the nature of God, what he thinks about gay people or masturbation, or choose the wrong side of a political debate and see how quickly the mods shut you down.
 
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Where did you get the idea that was the purpose of this forum? It may have Christian in the name, but it's really focused a small subset of Christian beliefs. Sure, others get occasional lip service, but disagree on the nature of God, what he thinks about gay people or masturbation, or choose the wrong side of a political debate and see how quickly the mods shut you down.


True.

But as atheists I hope we can avoid most of the infighting the Christians spend their time on, and instead look at the good things people can be doing.


My big hope is that salt water algae can be developed to grow in the Mediterranean Sea and harvested to provide both food and fuel for the whole World.


Unlike the Christians who set their hopes on a future life somewhere, we have to make the life we have as excellent as humanly possible, and how can we be happy if others are not?


And there are lots of Christians with the same intent, we all need to encourage each other
 
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Yes I have noticed at times there is a lot of "unchristian" activity on this forum whether from obvious non-christians or from people who claim to be christians.
That includes christians being very unloving, or making excuses for their sin, or being judgemental towards weaker christians, or defending false doctrines/teachers.....

That is why christians who are aware of what is happening have to make sure they set a good example online as well as in real life. I am glad that someone else is also concerned about what is typed here at times. :)
 
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It's a choice, to see what good rather than evil, and there is so much more of it why oh why does the news and religion concentrate on the evil.

We don't have to believe the media, that everyone is out to kill us, in fact the very few who are wouldn't be if we weren't threatening them. Look at all the defenceless nations and ask why those we fear aren't tearing them to bits right now.

It's a choice and we have the power to make the World a wonderful place, if only we would


The World has everything we need to support life, we could say it was sealed with a kiss

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A mother octopus does actually die looking after her eggs right through until they hatch, and some human mothers do much the same

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It really is a beautiful place

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People don't last forever, we have to make it as good as we can, and one day it will be time to part. We hope we leave some happy people behind.





Kindest regards, Mork of MorkandMindy
 
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I tend to think of this world as a prison. We're going to stay in this prison, until its time for us to come out and really see the light. :)

Till then we're going to have to deal with some craaaaazy people. ;)
What a coincidence, that's exactly how I see a christian life too!
 
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I tend to think of this world as a prison. We're going to stay in this prison, until its time for us to come out and really see the light. :)

Till then we're going to have to deal with some craaaaazy people. ;)


Well we don't have to deal with the crazy people on TV, radio or newspaper - just turn them off and don't buy them. Yes, I saw in the news that 7 people died in domestic conflicts over Christmas. But that means 9,999,999 out of 10,000,000 people survived. And most situations were handled very well.

The media gives a very false impression. It wants to make people afraid so they can be motivated to vote for wars to eliminate whatever they are afraid of, even though normally they wouldn't favour bombing or shooting babies, children, men, women, old people and animals. Once you get people afraid you can get them to do bad things.

So I have no TV, no radio and no newspapers. It really is that simple.



Today the sun has been out, it warmed the day and lit it as well and brought us vitamin D and made life cheerful. The Earth (well, sun as well) have provided us with everything we have needed, so what is there to complain about?

The day brought an abundance of seconds, and every one of them I had choice about what I did with it, not total choice but enough to make a good choice or a bad choice, enough to make it my choice.

My eyes brought me about a million colours that I can discern, the air was nicely made up today with about 21% oxygen which was just what I wanted. Less and I wouldn't do so well, more and there would be a lot of fires.

Everything was right, why waste it?


There was a talk on at Rutherford Appleton Laboratories which unfortunately I had to miss, but there were many good sources of sustainable and long term energy supplies mentioned. Solar cells have been developed that are 3 times as efficient as the ones in common use at present. Thorium nuclear reactors have enough fuel to supply our present electrical needs for a few centuries, plenty of time to find an alternative.


Personally I'd rather fill the Mediterranean with food producing and fuel producing and CO2 eating algae; it just seems like such a nice thing to do.


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Where did you get the idea that was the purpose of this forum? It may have Christian in the name, but it's really focused a small subset of Christian beliefs. Sure, others get occasional lip service, but disagree on the nature of God, what he thinks about gay people or masturbation, or choose the wrong side of a political debate and see how quickly the mods shut you down.

And yet, this forum, as is the case with any on-line community, is not a Democracy. It is in effect a Dictatorship and membership is a privilege.

I very much enjoy this forum over all because, and this is what inspired this thread specifically, when I encounter what you mention and that what joey_downunder observes, it helps to remind me of the real inspiration that comes from the light and spirit of the Christ. By what I witness that is counter to that testimony.

That's also why I very much appreciate the person who initiated the thread about Biblioidolatry. :o

People as a rule seem to be easily led to follow the rules that help them to comport themselves in a manner ascribed to obedience of them.
Be it morality, which isn't universal, the law of their land, society, or religion.
So when there are folks who believe something written gives them license to be, in keeping with the theme of this thread, the opposite of Christ like, it serves I think, to inspire by that example what not to allow ones self to become.

Hate, was not the message of Jesus. Discrimination, bigotry, bullying, were not his method to deliver the message that he, as God incarnate delivering his law and spirit by example, wanted to have blossom in the heart and minds of those who witnessed true compassion and spiritual community, in his works.

And yet, the great tragedy in this world where the majority inhabiting it believe in something unseen as guiding their steps, it seems as if it's like unto a metaphor akin to the lamp unto thy feet.
Only written to mean, each believer has a lamp they hold in their own hand and shine upon their own path. And when they see a light similar to it, they feel safe and assured that their journey has now been illuminated by one more. And thus the path becomes more clear with every step.

However, when they look about they realize there are other lamps about. And those lamps shades are of a different hue and so that one becomes frightened by an unfamiliar color, an dissimilar brilliance to their own.

And yet, they feel, because they were assured by the one that lit their particular lamp in the beginning, that it was the only one worthy of glowing through the darkness to come.

And so, that one holds their lamp higher, hoping to outshine the others who are deemed less brilliant, and thus at fault in their step.

And I see it as that what makes this world a brilliant tapestry of living colors. While an intricate lesson afforded in how caught up we can become in what is written, what we see, as being superior to what is alight inside us. And as such, we forget we are all spirits living this human experience.
And if one believes in God, in any brilliance that defines that three letter word contrived and defined by the human intellect, they realize if a creator created all then no one can be created less than as a child of that source.

It's ego, that thinks the fire in the lamp is particularly predisposed to guiding only one eye to see.

And it is for that reason that the brilliance of the candles in the OP were brought here. To show that a sea alight with floating candles is breathtaking in the darkness. That the waves that lift and let fall their light represent the rhythm of life's ups and downs. And yet, for as far as the eye could see, if all the waters on this planet carried a floating candle, what would stand out isn't what each candle looks like, but that each candle shines the world over in it's own way, as a candle. One among the countless. And each flame flickering upon it's wick, large or small, is still aglow with one purpose. Light, unto the darkness.

It's why I do not nor shall I ever understand how, even as this or any Christian forum is a subtext of the whole of the Christian community, the darkness of divisiveness can hold pride in thinking the light of the Christ is represented in that.
When that is exactly what compelled God to feel the need to save his people from the egoism that fractured the community of soul.

And yet, that's the point of view born from the light of my own lamp. And so it glows on this journey amid many and I learn from every step what it is to appreciate the flicker of flame different than my own.
And I've learned it isn't wise to be upset or mad because there are different lights, casting other shadows. It's a flame and that's what flame does. I learn from the lamp bearer what it means to be a bearer of light.
Some, as I found of late, will proudly proclaim they understand my lamp is not like unto their own and they find cause to hate that.
Tragic, but not my burden. It is theirs. And it does not make my light feel less brilliant, nor worthy of casting light into the darkness, which is not an enemy but an ally. Because were it not for the darkness we would not know the light that comes alive within it.

Instead, theirs is another lesson another Angel sent by God. Another messenger that guides me on my journey to understanding.

Maybe that can help with dealing with the darkness of the world that has found it's way here. Emissaries inspiring us to look deeper than what the world of the flesh brings to our attention.

Spiritual beings living a human experience. :groupray: God Bless Us All.
(Hear that, darkness? ;) )



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The good can live with out evil, but the evil cannot live with out the good. Correct me if I am wrong, but the bible and the koran all say to gaurd against evil. If you completely ignore the evil, it doesn't go away, it just makes it easier for the evil to get away with it. I wish love did change the evil, but it doesn't seem to work that way. It is supposed to though.
 
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Perhaps it can be said the Evil is what challenges us to find what we know about ourselves in truth, rather than in just as a facade to go with any labels we may afford for ourselves.

The existance of evil should challenge you to do good.

Whether or not that is true should tell you all you need to know about yourself.
 
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